On Fri, Feb 07, 2014 at 10:13:40AM +0100, Torvald Riegel wrote:
> On Thu, 2014-02-06 at 20:06 -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > On Thu, Feb 06, 2014 at 11:58:22PM +0100, Torvald Riegel wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2014-02-06 at 13:55 -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > > On Thu, Feb 06, 2014 at 10:09:25PM +0100, Torvald Riegel wrote:
> > > > > On Thu, 2014-02-06 at 18:59 +0000, Will Deacon wrote:
> > > > > > To answer that question, you need to go and look at the definitions
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > synchronises-with, happens-before, dependency_ordered_before and a
> > > > > > whole
> > > > > > pile of vaguely written waffle to realise that you don't know.
> > > > >
> > > > > Are you familiar with the formalization of the C11/C++11 model by
> > > > > Batty
> > > > > et al.?
> > > > > http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mjb220/popl085ap-sewell.pdf
> > > > > http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mjb220/n3132.pdf
> > > > >
> > > > > They also have a nice tool that can run condensed examples and show
> > > > > you
> > > > > all allowed (and forbidden) executions (it runs in the browser, so is
> > > > > slow for larger examples), including nice annotated graphs for those:
> > > > > http://svr-pes20-cppmem.cl.cam.ac.uk/cppmem/
> > > > >
> > > > > It requires somewhat special syntax, but the following, which should
> > > > > be
> > > > > equivalent to your example above, runs just fine:
> > > > >
> > > > > int main() {
> > > > > atomic_int foo = 0;
> > > > > atomic_int bar = 0;
> > > > > atomic_int baz = 0;
> > > > > {{{ {
> > > > > foo.store(42, memory_order_relaxed);
> > > > > bar.store(1, memory_order_seq_cst);
> > > > > baz.store(42, memory_order_relaxed);
> > > > > }
> > > > > ||| {
> > > > > r1=baz.load(memory_order_seq_cst).readsvalue(42);
> > > > > r2=foo.load(memory_order_seq_cst).readsvalue(0);
> > > > > }
> > > > > }}};
> > > > > return 0; }
> > > > >
> > > > > That yields 3 consistent executions for me, and likewise if the last
> > > > > readsvalue() is using 42 as argument.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you add a "fence(memory_order_seq_cst);" after the store to foo,
> > > > > the
> > > > > program can't observe != 42 for foo anymore, because the seq-cst fence
> > > > > is adding a synchronizes-with edge via the baz reads-from.
> > > > >
> > > > > I think this is a really neat tool, and very helpful to answer such
> > > > > questions as in your example.
> > > >
> > > > Hmmm... The tool doesn't seem to like fetch_add(). But let's assume
> > > > that
> > > > your substitution of store() for fetch_add() is correct. Then this
> > > > shows
> > > > that we cannot substitute fetch_add() for atomic_add_return().
> > >
> > > It should be in this example, I believe.
> >
> > You lost me on this one.
>
> I mean that in this example, substituting fetch_add() with store()
> should not change meaning, given that what the fetch_add reads-from
> seems irrelevant.
Got it. Agreed, though your other suggestion of substituting CAS is
more convincing. ;-)
Thanx, Paul
