Hi, It would be nice to have a "revert" or "reload file" function in the gattrib pulldown menu and/or have keystroke.
With said feature one would be able to swap more easily between gschem and gattrib when a lot of attributes need to be set/changed (of course updating the file in the process). Just my EUR 0.02 Kind regards, Bert Timmerman. > -----Original Message----- > From: geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org > [mailto:geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org] On Behalf Of Armin Faltl > Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 11:57 AM > To: gEDA user mailing list > Subject: Re: gEDA-user: Matching footprints with symbols > > Not because of the bugs I ran into but since choosing a > footprint is a difficult process in it self I was longing for > a footprint browser. > The easiest place to start a clean implementation may be > gattrib, that I found conventient to duplicate footprint > choices, once one has been assigned gschem. > However, the best overview of what is what and therefore > choose the right footprint is probably gschem. With gschem > open, gattrib should work however, if one remembers, that > gschem is in "read only" then. > > The problem could be split out of gschem, if it were better > supported, to assign a physical part to the symbol. This will > probably help other tools too, since e.g. a Spice model is > tied to a part, not to a bunch of lines with pins (symbol). > I first thought "device" were the thing to use, but in the > standard library it's occupied by names like > CAPACITOR_POLARIZED which says noting about rated voltage or > ESR. Any ideas? > > Just my 2 cents > > Matthew Wilkins wrote: > > It seems like there is room to add a footprint selector > utility that > > would interface between gschem/gattrib and PCB without impacting > > non-PCB users in any way. In fact if PCB had an HID > where it just > > starts up as a footprint browser and nothing else, you > could use PCB > > itself to assign footprints to symbols from within > gschem or gattrib. > > An option in the gschem config file could allow users > to define a > > command line to start PCB in that mode, and PCB would output the > > selected footprint attribute value before exiting. > > Users of other workflows might be able to use a similar > type of browser > > utility to work with other types of libraries -- gnucap models? > > verilog models? I don't know if that would be useful or not... > > Anyway, the point is that this type of feature can be > added and could > > be be completely invisible to other workflows, unless > they want to use > > it. > > --- On Fri, 4/16/10, DJ Delorie <d...@delorie.com> wrote: > > > > From: DJ Delorie <d...@delorie.com> > > Subject: Re: gEDA-user: Matching footprints with symbols > > To: "gEDA user mailing list" <geda-user@moria.seul.org> > > Received: Friday, April 16, 2010, 6:16 PM > > > > > Perhaps the shortcoming is in your expectations. > > I think that (1) our tools are mature enough that users > should expect > > *some* sort of seamless integration and co-operation > between them, and > > (2) we're mature enough to not have to insult our users when our > > software acts in an unexpected way. > > > The two projects are able to work together *because* they were > > > intentionally designed with clean interfaces, > > Irrelevent. Having clean interfaces doesn't preclude > using those > > interfaces in a seamless manner, giving the impression > of integration. > > > One thing that sows confusion here is that > "footprint" has different > > > meanings > > Hence the Terminology chaper in the Getting Started guide, which > > defines what PCB means by footprint: > > ``A footprint is the pattern on a circuit board to > which your parts > > are attached. This includes all copper, silk, solder > mask, and > > paste information. In other EDA programs, this may > be referred to > > as a "land pattern". "Footprint" sometimes is used > to refer to a > > footprint file. "Footprint" refers to the pattern; > "element" refers > > to the instance. For example, your layout might have > four elements > > that use one footprint.'' > > If you're talking about PCB, please stick with PCB's > meanings of the > > terms. > > > And some design flows don't have footprints (VLSI, simulation, > > > symbolic analysis, ...), although perhaps the hydraulic design > > > process recently discussed here has something analogous ;-) > > And some programs aren't EDA programs, but that doesn't > help with his > > problem. > > > Ugh! Yuck! IDE = Inflexible, Dumbed-down Environment. > Some prefer > > > that, but shouldn't there remain toolkits for those > of us who need > > > flexibility and high productivity automation? > > Please stop trying to push your personal flow onto others :-) > > Despite you pushing your personal way of doing things > (very vocally, I > > might add), a clear majority (not "some") of the geda > users DO want a > > simple schematic -> pcb flow that's well integrated and > easy to use. > > Your personal choice is *not it*. Yes, we want to make > your flow > > *possible*, but we really need to make the > "dumbed-down" environment > > easy to use and streamlined, because that's what most > people want. > > > The commercial package owners have a strong incentive > to restrict > > > the flow to tools they control, and make it easy to > get sucked into > > > their environments. They have little incentive to > give you paths to > > > flexibility or higher productivity once you're caught. > > Flexibility and ease of use should not preclude each other. > > _______________________________________________ > > geda-user mailing list > > [1]geda-u...@moria.seul.org > > [2]http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user > > > > References > > > > 1. file://localhost/mc/compose?to=geda-u...@moria.seul.org > > 2. http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > geda-user mailing list > > geda-user@moria.seul.org > > http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user > > > > > _______________________________________________ > geda-user mailing list > geda-user@moria.seul.org > http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user > _______________________________________________ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
