> Thanks for setting up such a service, a well kept secret until now Its been discussed before.
> let's keep this one quite as not to waken the wild hoards of windoze users > ;-) > Should windoze "users" file bug reports in LP for these nightly windows > snapshots too ? Bugs are bugs, they need reported. This anti-Windows attitude is not helpful to the project, and I'm not trying to pick on you specifically Bert. sorry if it seems that way. In my personal view there seems to be a fear that a bunch of people from Windows will show up asking annoying questions. Yet I see the same questions over-and-over from new users on non-Windows systems, and no one gets annoyed with them. There are two groups of people involved in using EDA tools. Hobbyist trying to learn and have fun, and professionals that just want to get work done. Those in the professional category often have no choice but to use Windows due to IT departments or uninformed management policies. I know of at least one person that was here for a while, who is extremely knowledgeable in Analog Design, that left because of lack of Windows support. He is now quit vocal about it in other groups driving potential users, and more importantly contributors, away. In the hobbyist group we have to be aware of the Baby-Duck-Syndrome. When a Baby-Duck is born, it imprints the first moving thing it sees to be its Mother. In software the first tool a person is exposed to is the one they may stick with for a life time. Do we want to be a tool that a first time user can be productive with in a few minutes, or at least hours? No, that does not mean things get broken for current users that like Makefiles. First time users and long time users can be supported by the same tool, and constant wining about something maybe getting it broken by a change to improve usability is no more productive for the project than wining about Windows, and has driven off contributors. If it gets broken, it gets fixed. Outside of our group here gEDA/PCB/Et.Al. are seen as toys and hard to use. Maybe we should all asks ourselves why? [Which does not mean that my message here needs any kind of reply telling use why, we all know if some issue or other that needs addressed, starting an other wining sessions is not my goal with this message.] The attitude of 'Things would be so much better if the customers would all just go away' and stop complaining about real usability problems is sure to cause a long slow painful death of any project. _______________________________________________ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
