Hello

I waited a few days to see what "bounces back" and I'm pleased to see 
that you're friendly folk, that makes me want to help more.

The situations seems to be:

1. Geeqie is very much alive. That is great to hear, and a surprise to 
many, because that is not the impression one gets from visiting the 
http://www.geeqie.org/ (before it was updated yesterday).

2. You prefer to spend time fixing bugs and implementing new features 
than working on the website. That's also great, but the website is 
important, it's your business card, and it needs to shine. People can't 
be expected to dig through mind-bogglingly boring links, subscribe to 
mailing lists or to have to clone the source just to find whether things 
are moving forward and what the contact details to the developers are.

3. You don't use SourceForge because its evil, great. Then we need 
distance Geeqie from SF as we can.

4. You seem to be happy with gitweb.

I propose:
1. That Geeqie create a new identity for itself, that it ceases to 
identify itself as "Image viewer forked from GQView" because that's 
ancient history, people don't remember what GQView is, and Geeqie is 
better than GQView. It can of course be mentioned in some "about" 
section but it does not help attract people who are browsing the web 
looking for a good image viewer.

2. To help make you a new website. The idea is to keep it simple, neat 
and modern. No CMS. Static generation using modern tools. Could you 
provide some info on the server? Is it shared hosting or VPS? Do you 
have shell access? Does the hosting company speak English?

3. You lack a place where users can interact without having to sell a 
kidney (mailing lists...). Pat David recently rewrote GIMP's official 
website, and also made the pixls.us website which is like a mix between 
a tutorial place and a wiki-forum for developers and users of libre 
graphics software. I recently closed down the old RawTherapee forum and 
our users moved to Pat David's place. We share it with developers of 
other software, which is great because users are exposed to more options 
and to more wisdom from other experienced users and developers. I 
propose Geeqie agree to having your own official spot over at 
https://discuss.pixls.us/c/software That way you have the mailing list 
for developer chat, and that place for user chat. Hopefully some of you 
would visit the user place and help out with advice once in a while.

4. I do suggest you reconsider using GitHub, even though gitweb is 
working for you. Why? Because gitweb seems like a good place only for 
developers who agree to use the mailing list, but what about normal 
users who want to report a bug? I don't even know where to report a 
Geeqie bug. https://discuss.pixls.us/c/software/geeqie would not be a 
bug tracker (users can occasionally report bugs there, as they do for 
RawTherapee, but that is not the right place). And you can't expect 
normal people to sign up for a mailing list. I definitely wouldn't - the 
only reason I'm here is because I like Geeqie so much I wanted to help 
make it look alive and well, and my email didn't make it to your mailing 
list the first time I sent it before signing up. I honestly can't wait 
to sign out of the mailing list - they're a thing from the 90s. If you 
use GitHub you get to retain your commit history, you get a fast and 
well-working bug tracking facility which is tightly integrated with git 
(you can even close an issue/ticket directly though a commit, by putting 
"closes #123" in the commit message), you get a wiki, and perhaps most 
importantly you become immediately exposed to hundreds of other 
developers who will then have less "resistance" to contribute a patch or 
even just a good bug report to Geeqie. We (RawTherapee) have been 
through a number of source code management services, most recently 
google-code, and GitHub is by far the best.

Kind regards
DrSlony


On 2016-03-09 16:18, Klaus Ethgen wrote:
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> Am Mi den  9. Mär 2016 um 21:14 schrieb Lars Ellenberg:
>> Feel free to use it, or massage it some more.  Or not.
>>  ;-)
> 
> Thanks again. I only had to do some small massage; see [0] and [1].
> 
> Regards
>    Klaus
> 
> [0]
> http://www.geeqie.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=geeqie.git;a=commitdiff;h=b333c04435380dfce208e795c4b148700d6faee3
> [1]
> http://www.geeqie.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=geeqie.git;a=commitdiff;h=cbcf4618c412e45eb3c7a9fe24fca349e9d2d583
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