Kalau tidak mengerti bagaimana utk membaca statistik dari data dari Julian Choi dan juga kalau tidak menerti "natural history of the virus", jangan ceplas-ceplos atau ngawur komentarnya. 30000 orang meninggal dalam 5 bulan versus kurang dari 1500 dalam 3 bulan. Dan juga yg penting adalah "natural history/evolution of a virus" adalah dimana virus akan bertambah lemah dgn berjalannya waktu (the aggressiveness of a virus will be weakend with time)
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 7:01 PM, marthajan04 marthaja...@yahoo.com [GELORA45]<GELORA45@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Ini penyakit masih berlangsung. Masih ada kematian tiap hari. Bukan ngarepin lebih banyak lagi yg meninggal wong kita juga disini ketakutan ketularan. Kita juga pingin cepat ditemukan vaccinnya ga peduli siapa yg duluan nemukan mau amerika kek mau china, rusia kek. Dan semua pasien sembuh. Tapi membandingkan jumlah korban sementara virus masih mengganas, dimana logikanya? Belum lagi PKT yg ga mau transparan dengan jumlah korban. Ini warga china sendiri loh yg ngomong, yg pada protes minta keterbukaan. MIKIR!!! Jangan fitnah saja kerjanya. Kalo ga sanggup ngatasi, jangan umbar fitnah. Itu namanya BURUK MUKA CERMIN DIBELAH. Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message --------From: "'B.H. Jo' b...@yahoo.com [GELORA45]" <GELORA45@yahoogroups.com> Date: 2/14/20 10:19 AM (GMT-08:00) To: gelora45@yahoogroups.com Subject: [GELORA45] The US had nearly 30,000 flu deaths in the past 5 months, which was entirely unremarkable??? Komentar: Diskusi dilakukan oleh penulis dari Cornell University di AS (salah satu universitas yg terkemuka di dunia) dan Choi (orang asal atau keturunan Korea). Jadi bukan propaganda dari Tkk. Di AS sudah ada 30000 orang meninggal krn influenza dlam 5 bulan belakang ini tetapi tidak biberitakan di AS. sedangkan kematian di di Tkk kurang dari 1500 dlm kurang dari 3 bulan sudah di-gembor2 kan. Ini salah satu usaha AS utk menghancurkan ekonomi Tkk. Selain itu ada kemungkin Wuhan coronavirus adalah biological weapon yg dilakukan oleh AS thd Tkk. Tulisan yg relevan saya rubah menjadi tulisan merah supaya bisa tidak membuang waktu. Answer · The United States of America · Topic you might likeWhy is the new Chinese coronavirus seen as especially concerning? The US had nearly 30,000 flu deaths in the past 5 months, which was entirely unremarkable, so the numbers coming out of China don't seem very alarming to me.Choi Julian, M.S. from Cornell UniversityAnswered 17h ago I am sick and tired of all the fear mongering in all the answers to this question. If you just have to say, “look at all the drastic measures China is taking, it obviously is no good! And we can’t trust their numbers!” Great! Then we can at least trust the numbers outside of China, right? cuz no one wants this to spread in their country and every country keeps close attention to it. So far, covid19 has 505 confirmed cases outside of China, two deaths. The case fatality rate outside of China is 0.39%. The seasonal flu CFR fluctuate between 0.3% to 0.8%. This is the number you can count on! And even if we include China into the calculation, CFR outside of Hubei province is 0.6%. CFR of Hubei Province is 2.9%. The reason death rate is high in Hubei province is that we can’t know for sure how many people are infected because there is limit to our capability to test and find out who got infected. The healthcare services in Wuhan was crippled due to the large influx of patients and many of them could not receive proper care until medical staffs in other parts of China arrive and new hospitals are built. And now they are being taken care of. So in conclusion, if this covid19 spread like a flu all over the world, the CFR will stay at around 0.3–0.6%, which overlaps with that of a seasonal flu. The reason China react this way is two fold. 1.This is a new corona virus we knew nothing previously. Due to the SARS epidemic in 2003, Chinese government were very cautious and intend to arrest its spread. 2.Wuhan is the epicenter of this outbreak. Tens of thousands were infected and they needed proper care which no city in the world could provide in this amount in a short notice. China decided to quarantine the region so that this virus will not spread too much to other places. This will free up the medical staffs in other regions of China who then can go to Wuhan to treat them altogether. So far, over 10 thousands medical staff members have arrived at Hubei province to treat patients there. While this virus is under control outside Hubei province, people can convene their resources to support Hubei. So the strategy of China is to sacrifice Hubei for the greater good of the country. And then the whole country can pull all the resources and efforts to rescue Hubei province. And it’s working. We can stop with all the fear mongering to ourselves and look at this with numbers objectively. It’s good for our sanity. 4k views · View Upvoters · View Sharers Tony Tan16h ago · 14 upvotes including Choi Julian You can't ask them to stop the fear mongering because it's intentional. Now I know why those imperialist democratic people always push China towards non censorship. That's because propaganda and lies are their main weapon. Garry Aye15h ago · 15 upvotes including Tony Tan I used to buy into all the anti-China rhetoric… It’s one of those things that you absolutely don’t see until you see it, and then you can’t unsee it. It’s fucking everywhere. Media outlets I used to trust to be factual like NYT and CNN are just blatantly, irrationally hostile when it comes to China. A lot of it just imperialistic bullshit that thinks China should act like a colony. Norman Tan: You have been red pilled. Or is it blue?Lim San14h ago · 7 upvotes including Choi Julian The west is capitalising on this episode to create fear and attempt to reduce trade and cooperation between other countries and China. If China's flu is a threat, then US's flu should be a bigger threat. Yet there is little news coverage. 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