Hi Spencer,
I released a new version of the draft to change to ZeroBasedCounters and 
took the opportunity to rename the counters as you suggested. Now they are 
called *Oper* instead of *Other*:
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-forces-mib-09.txt
Regards,
-Robert

"Spencer Dawkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 09/03/2008 05:02:54 
PM:

> [image removed] 
> 
> Re: Gen-ART Review of draft-ietf-forces-mib-07
> 
> Spencer Dawkins 
> 
> to:
> 
> Robert Haas
> 
> 09/03/2008 05:06 PM
> 
> Cc:
> 
> "Patrick Droz", "General Area Review Team", "Jamal Hadi Salim", 
> ietf, "Ross Callon"
> 
> Hi, Robert,
>  
> Thanks for the quick response on all the comments -  to be explicit,
> version 8 addresses all my comments, except for one question  (below).
>  
> It actually could be OK to retain the OtherMsg name  and definition,
> if there is a reason to do so (one reason might be "deployed 
> systems use this name and definition"). What I was saying was that 
> it violates  the Principle of Least Astonishment - you could also 
> clearly define "3" as "2",  but implementers would still think "3" 
> was "3" when scanning  quickly.
>  
> :-)
>  
> This is an IETF Last Call review comment, so other  reviewers can 
> tell you "Spencer is worried about nothing", and Gen-ART comments 
> are never blocking unless an AD includes them in a DISCUSS.
>  
> I'll trust that you guys will do the right thing,  which might or 
> might not be to make a change.
>  
> Thanks for hearing me out. 
>  
> Spencer
> >    o  Number of other ForCES  messages sent from the CE
> >        (forcesAssociationOtherMsgSent) and received by the CE
> >        (forcesAssociationOtherMsgReceived) since the association 
entered
> >       the UP state.  Only messages other  than Heartbeat, Association
> >       Setup, Association  Setup Response, and Association Teardown are
> >        counted.
> > 
> > Spencer (technical): I think I know what you're  saying here, but 
> you're not 
> > counting "other" messages (because you  exclude some of the 
> "other" messages. 
> > The point is that you didn't  get into the table with Association 
> > Setup/Association Setup Response,  and you leave the table 
> immediately after 
> > Association Teardown, so  you don't have to count these messages, 
isn't it? 
> > :-( 
> 
> I agree, but I'd rather keep this explicit. As for  "OtherMsg" vs 
> "OperationalMsg": I'd rather keep it as is, given that we define 
> what are these "other" messages. 
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