Hi, Marc...
Works for me, and thank you for grokking what I was asking about (not
replacing "this document" before PUBLICATION, but after publication and
before creating the registry entry).
Thanks,
Spencer
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From: "Marc Petit-Huguenin" <m...@petit-huguenin.org>
To: "Spencer Dawkins" <spen...@wonderhamster.org>
Cc: <draft-ietf-behave-turn-...@tools.ietf.org>; <i...@ietf.org>; "General
Area Review Team" <gen-art@ietf.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: Gen-ART Review of draft-ietf-behave-turn-uri-05
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Hi Spencer,
Thanks for the review. See below for my comments.
On 01/11/2010 03:07 PM, Spencer Dawkins wrote:
I have been selected as the General Area Review Team (Gen-ART) reviewer
for
this draft (for background on Gen-ART, please see
http://www.alvestrand.no/ietf/gen/art/gen-art-FAQ.html). Please resolve
these comments along with any other Last Call comments you may receive.
Document: draft-ietf-behave-turn-uri-05
Reviewer: Spencer Dawkins
Review Date: 2010-01-11
IETF LC End Date: 2010-01-13
IESG Telechat date: (not known)
Summary: This draft is almost ready for publication as a Proposed
Standard. I have a couple of minor questions, shown below in sections 3
and 6.1.
Nits and readability comments aren't actually part of the review -
they're for the author and editors...
Spencer
1. Introduction
The TURN specification [I-D.ietf-behave-turn] defines a process for a
TURN client to find TURN servers by using DNS SRV resource records,
but this process does not let the TURN server administrators
provision the preferred TURN transport protocol between the client
and the server and for the TURN client to discover this preference.
Spencer (readability): s/for/does not allow/ ?
Applied.
This document defines an S-NAPTR application [RFC3958] for this
purpose. This application defines "RELAY" as an application service
tag and "turn.udp", "turn.tcp", and "turn.tls" as application
protocol tags.
Another usage of the resolution mechanism described in this document
would be Remote Hosting as described in [RFC3958] section 4.4. For
example a VoIP provider who does not want to deploy TURN servers
could use the servers deployed by another company but could still
want to provide configuration parameters to its customers without
explicitly showing this relationship. The mechanism permits one to
implement this indirection, without preventing the company hosting
the TURN servers from managing them as it see fit.
Spencer (nit): s/see/sees/
Applied.
[I-D.petithuguenin-behave-turn-uri-bis] can be used as a convenient
way of carrying the four components needed by the resolution
mechanism described in this document.
3. Resolution Mechanism
An Allocate error response as specified in section 6.4 of
[I-D.ietf-behave-turn] is processed as a failure as specified by
[RFC3958] section 2.2.4. The resolution stops when a TURN client
gets a successful Allocate response from a TURN server. After an
allocation succeeds or all the allocations fail, the resolution
context MUST be discarded and the resolution algorithm MUST be
restarted from the beginning for any subsequent allocation. Servers
blacklisted as described in section 6.4 of [I-D.ietf-behave-turn]
SHOULD NOT be used for the specified duration even if returned by a
Spencer (minor): I'm not sure why SHOULD NOT is appropriate here. If
this isn't MUST NOT, I'm not sure it should be 2119 language. Is this
just saying "if you include blacklisted servers, good things will
probably not happen"?
Hmmm. The purpose of this text is to prevent a client to continuously try
to
reach a crashed TURN server when the DNS cache will still continue to
return the
RRs for the duration of the TTL. I am not sure that this count as an
interoperability issue but I think that this is something that must be
prevented
so unless someone complain I will change the "SHOULD NOT" to a "MUST NOT".
subsequent resolution.
First the resolution algorithm checks that the parameters can be
resolved with the list of TURN transports supported by the
application:
Spencer (readability): I'm surprised that the following information is
not shown as a table - Table 1 is showing something a lot more
straightfoward, so I know you guys know how to create tables!
o If <secure> is false and <transport> is defined as "udp" but the
list of TURN transports supported by the application does not
contain UDP then the resolution MUST stop with an error.
o If <secure> is false and <transport> is defined as "tcp" but the
list of TURN transports supported by the application does not
contain TCP then the resolution MUST stop with an error.
o If <secure> is true and <transport> is defined as "udp" then the
algorithm MUST stop with an error.
o If <secure> is true and <transport> is defined as "tcp" but the
list of TURN transports supported by the application does not
contain TLS then the resolution MUST stop with an error.
o If <secure> is true and <transport> is not defined but the list of
TURN transports supported by the application does not contain TLS
then the resolution MUST stop with an error.
o If <transport> is defined but unknown then the resolution MUST
stop with an error.
Hmm, the problem is that rules #3 and #6 do not fit nicely in a table.
Actually
the purpose of "Table 1" is to be able to reference the rules easily in
the
subsequent text, which is not the case for this set of rules.
5. If the first NAPTR query in the previous step does not return any
result then the SRV algorithm defined in [RFC2782] is used to
generate a list of IP address and port tuples. The SRV algorithm
is applied by using each transport in the filtered list of TURN
transports supported by the application for the Protocol, <host>
for the Name, "turn" for the Service if <secure> is false or
"turns" for the Service if <secure> is true. The same transport
that was used to generate a list of tuples is used with each of
this tuples for contacting the TURN server. The SRV algorithm
Spencer (nit): s/this/these/
Applied.
recommends doing an A query if the SRV query returns an error or
no SRV RR; in this case the default port declared in
[I-D.ietf-behave-turn] for the "turn" SRV service name if
<secure> is false, or the "turns" SRV service name if <secure> is
true MUST be used for contacting the TURN server. Also in this
case, this specification modifies the SRV algorithm by
recommending an A and AAAA query. If the TURN client cannot
contact a TURN server at any of the IP address and port tuples
returned by the SRV algorithm with the transports from the
filtered list then the resolution MUST stop with an error.
6.1. RELAY Application Service Tag Registration
Application Protocol Tag: RELAY
Intended usage: See Section 3.
Interoperability considerations: N/A
Security considerations: See Section 5.
Relevant publications: This document.
Spencer (minor): do you intend that the IANA replace the "This document"
occurences with an RFC number before publication?
No, I was thinking that the "this document" would reference the RFC after
publication, but I guess that your question means that the registration
template
can be detached from the RFC and so needs to contain absolute references.
So I added the following to the text:
[Note to RFC Editor: Replace "This document" with reference to this
document]
- --
Marc Petit-Huguenin
Personal email: m...@petit-huguenin.org
Professional email: petit...@acm.org
Blog: http://blog.marc.petit-huguenin.org
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