Caps and big letters in internet language means you're screaming. I'm not deaf, and even if I was, I'm - Thanks God - not listening you. So again, as they say in portuguese: "A porta da rua é a serventia da casa" <- use g translate.
Your offenses, like Maggie, means nothing to me. IF you had a bit of education - not to much to ask - we could talk. Since you dont... _____ *Béria Lima* Wikimedia Portugal <http://wikimedia.pt> (351) 963 953 042 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.* On 1 October 2011 19:39, Ralph Teckentrup <ador...@gmx.net> wrote: > Béria,**** > > ** ** > > every single post from you to this list or the foundation list was rude, > impolite, disrespectful and sometimes openly aggressive. You never explained > what the alleged “lies” are, you called other people ass kissers and so on. > Could you please behave in a manner that makes it possible to read this list > without distaste?**** > > ** ** > > Regards**** > > ** ** > > Ralph – who usually doesn’t contribute to this list**** > > ** ** > > *Von:* gendergap-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: > gendergap-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] *Im Auftrag von *Béria Lima > *Gesendet:* Samstag, 1. Oktober 2011 18:39 > *An:* Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects > *Betreff:* Re: [Gendergap] Gendergap Digest, Vol 8, Issue 76**** > > ** ** > > Ok. I said to myself that I would not answer that personal attack, but > seens that you people want to. So lets go answer your "questions" Ms. Maggie > (sorry if is offensive not threat you for your last name, but you never said > it, so). I do should advice that my politeness will not be present in this > mail, so if someone get offended, I'm sorry.**** > > *I'm not clear what point you are trying to prove, other than the 9% of > "girls'" voices don't matter. I also find it questionable that you refer to > women as girls and don't hesitate ponder why you don't call men boys.***** > > > First, you need to read my mail again. I never said female voices does not > matter. Read again and them come back to talk. And I do reffer man as boys > as well, If you knew me a bit more you would know that.**** > > *Many women, like myself, get driven off of WP due to frustration with the > hierarchy, which does exist. Women are treated with less respect, women are > questioned for their motives, women are called prudish if they object to > sexualizing images--or they are told their voices are not important because > they only comprise 9% of the population*.**** > > > I'm a woman (or girl) and a Wikipedian for 5 years. I know exactly how we > are treated there. And the funny part of it, is that you are complaining > that they question your motives, but you have no problems questioning mine. > Funny how is easy to do when is not with you right?**** > > *Why do you think they only comprise 9% then?***** > > > Your hero Sue wrote a post about that in November. Read it.**** > > *My goal on WP is to make it more diverse, and TBH I'm not too into this > picture discussion that has gone on for months. But it doesn't mean that it > doesn't matter or it isn't an important one, and it doesn't mean that the > women who care about it aren't important. > ***** > > > So if you are about make it more diverse you should not be trying to push > people away. Remember that girls are only 9% of us, and even the ones who > don't agree with you are important.**** > > *Offense is not the reason here, IMO. Offense barely scratches the > surface. I can imagine that many of the people on this list are angry--they > are angry that women are being objectified and because women are in the > minority on the community and it's an uninviting, sometimes terribly creepy > atmosphere, their voices do not matter. As for badly written? My god that is > the worst you can say? In writing terms that is just snide and a low blow. > Basically, only someone who can think of no other insult would say this. > "Well it's badly written and has spelling mistakes!" ***** > > > I'm sorry but that is your hero's Sue arguments, not mine. And I DON'T > subscribe them.**** > > *Come on, get a fucking life.***** > > > Works both ways. And get a manners teacher who will teach you to not offend > other people.**** > > *Wikipedia is set up so that only people who look for these > articles/pictures will know about voting procedures. So of course if there > is a vote, the majority would probably be overall positive unless serious > canvassing went on to let people who care about the other side know about it > so it evens out. Canvassing is set up to prevent this--I believe it's > actually a way of biasing the community to serve only the community, and not > the readers. Because the readers are--the world. Telling people about the > topic is just like how any election goes. I guess unless you are in some > sort of fake election where people are led to believe that their votes > actually count.***** > > > Canvassing works good when are you people doing to remove images from > Wikipedia (I can pull of at least 4 treads in that ML for that from the top > of my mind). If you think canvassing solves things, I'm not the one with > priorities changed.**** > > *Nowhere did you prove that she lied in that article. You only stated how > you disagree with her opinion.***** > > > If you read the mail - I think you didn't - you would say that says in the > begin that is a answer to ERIK, not to her. There is no point talk with > someone who don't answer you back, and Ms. Garden send me a mail saying that > she will not answer any of my mails.**** > > *Obviously you are not part of this group for the interest of women, ***** > > > Why? Because I don't kiss Sue's ass? To "be part of the group" I need to > soulless ass-kisser? **** > > *otherwise you would care about that 9%'s opinion***** > > > Again, go read my mail (or learn English, whatever works for you) > **** > > *---so why are you subscribing???***** > > > Because I want to. Is a open list, and I want to be here, If you have a > problem with my presence, unsubscribe. > > _____ > *Béria Lima* > Wikimedia Portugal <http://wikimedia.pt> > (351) 963 953 042 > > *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter > livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que > estamos a fazer.* > > **** > > On 1 October 2011 16:34, Sarah Stierch <sarah.stie...@gmail.com> wrote:*** > * > > ** ** > > On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 9:55 AM, Maggie <rockerre...@gmail.com> wrote:**** > > @Beria > I'm not clear what point you are trying to prove, other than the 9% of > "girls'" voices don't matter. I also find it questionable that you refer to > women as girls and don't hesitate ponder why you don't call men boys. > > **** > > > I notice a few people do that. I often find myself re-reading statements to > figure out if writers are indeed talking about girls (under the age 18) or > grown women. > > **** > > Offense is not the reason here, IMO. Offense barely scratches the surface. > I can imagine that many of the people on this list are angry--they are angry > that women are being objectified and because women are in the minority on > the community and it's an uninviting, sometimes terribly creepy atmosphere, > their voices do not matter. **** > > > +1 I'm pissed, to be frank. I also notice there are is still a nice and > small amount of women who are really rude also also, especially to other > women. Like this is some territorial thing. (I'm also getting that complaint > from the survey!) > > **** > > Come on, get a fucking life.**** > > > Maggie - how come you and I haven't met yet? <3 > > **** > > Nowhere did you prove that she lied in that article. You only stated how > you disagree with her opinion. Obviously you are not part of this group for > the interest of women, otherwise you would care about that 9%'s opinion---so > why are you subscribing???**** > > > This is a problem we occasionally have in the gender gap room. Why hang out > and tell us that you think feminism sucks and that this is one big scheme > for special treatment and "affirmative action" and then hang out and wonder > why we freak the hell out on you in the IRC room. /facepalm > > -Sarah > > **** > > > > -- > GLAMWIKI Partnership Ambassador for Wikimedia <http://www.glamwiki.org> > Wikipedian-in-Residence, Archives of American > Art<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SarahStierch> > and > Sarah Stierch Consulting**** > > *Historical, cultural & artistic research & advising.* > ------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.sarahstierch.com/**** > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap**** > > ** ** > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > >
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