+1 Andreas. :)
You said what I was thinking in such an eloquent way that I could never. Is there a barnstar for "calm and clear communication?" :D -Sarah On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 8:37 PM, Andreas Kolbe <jayen...@yahoo.com> wrote: > John, > > *From:* John Vandenberg <jay...@gmail.com> > > (Searching for "levee" in Commons brings up an image of a > > naked Suicide Girl called Levee in third place.) > > Its a thumbnail for !@#$ sake, and anyone who finds that image > offensive should turn off their internet connection. > > > It's a perfectly nice image, but does it answer the user's need? In most > cases probably not. If I google levee, I see levees, not nude girls: > > > http://www.google.co.uk/search?gcx=c&q=levee&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&biw=1041&bih=638 > > If I want to google for pictures of Levee, I google for "Levee Suicide > Girls", and there she is: > > > http://www.google.co.uk/search?gcx=c&q=levee&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&biw=1041&bih=638#um=1&hl=en&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=levee+suicide+girl&pbx=1&oq=levee+suicide+girl&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=127182l129981l0l130379l15l15l0l11l0l0l291l930l0.1.3l4l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=120e52a58330422e&biw=1041&bih=638 > > I guess Commons should give more weight to categories, and less weight to > file names. So when I google cucumber, it should show me images in the > cucumber category first of all, and not images that happen to have cucumber > in the title. > > Brandon, is there something developers could do in this regard? > > > I am sure you'll be appalled that libraries include nude pictures in > their search results, often when searching for something else. > > > http://trove.nla.gov.au/picture/result?q=contemporary+north+america+20th+century > > fix the metadata. > > create a gallery page. > > create a category and populate it. > > etc > > p.s. abstract art offends me. Can we please remove media related to > John Levee's from the Commons search results for the term 'Levee'. ;-) > > > We should be under no illusion that we can find all search terms whose > > results violate the principle of least surprise, presenting adult images > for > > everyday search terms. > > > > New such situations arise on a daily basis, each time someone uploads an > > explicit file that has a plausible search term in its name and > > description (try searching Commons for "eating", and then search for > > "drinking"; or try finding images of Prince Albert). > > The ordering of the search results isnt ideal. Have you raised a bug? > > > > The thing is, John, it's not a bug. How is it a bug? The image is called > "Drinking urine" or whatever, and so it's a valid search result for > "drinking". No doubt, a bunch of people would argue that it would be > non-neutral to exclude it from the search results for drinking, because > Wikipedia is not censored, and we don't care if people are unhappy with our > service, because that would be non-neutral. ;) > > <Imagine rant here.> > > > It puts too much weight on the filename, which isnt good because > recommend against rename, so the current search results are gamable by > the uploader. > > > We should simply offer safe search, like Google does. > > Google provides safe search. They need to convert 'the internet' into > a search results page that their customer wants to see, and the > Internet has a whole lot of stuff that 99% of the world never wants to > see. > > Wikipedia provides encyclopedic information. > > Commons provides a depository of media, and if you search for keywords > in the metadata you'll see thumbnails of the matching media. > > > > I find Google safe search seriously useful, because it gives me a choice, > and enables me to tailor my search to my requirements. If I want to see > porn, I can see porn. If I'm looking for something else, I can prevent my > search being flooded with porn. > > If I am a researcher looking for images of Prince Albert on Commons, I > would appreciate not being forced to wade through dozens of images of > penises with rings in them to find the image I'm looking for. > > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&redirs=1&ns0=1&ns6=1&ns9=1&ns12=1&ns14=1&ns100=1&ns106=1&search=Prince+albert&limit=500&offset=0 > > We will not attract a more mature audience until we get our act together. > > Andreas > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > -- GLAMWIKI Partnership Ambassador for Wikimedia <http://www.glamwiki.org> Wikipedian-in-Residence, Archives of American Art<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SarahStierch> and Sarah Stierch Consulting *Historical, cultural & artistic research & advising.* ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.sarahstierch.com/
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