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On Oct 18, 2011, at 4:35 PM, gendergap-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org wrote: > Send Gendergap mailing list submissions to > gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > gendergap-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > gendergap-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Gendergap digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Women's Voices Women Vote | feminist lobby group wants help > (Audrey Cormier) > 2. Women, collective intelligence, and Wikipedia (Pete Forsyth) > 3. and to contrast...one stop Commons hosiery shopping! > (Sarah Stierch) > 4. "anonymous (street meat)" (Migdia Chinea) > 5. Re: "anonymous (street meat)" (Nathan) > 6. Re: "anonymous (street meat)" (Michael J. Lowrey) > 7. Deterrent (Mig) > 8. Re: Deterrent (Jeremy Baron) > 9. From Jezebel: "Men?s Rights Fight Breaks Out On Wikipedia" > (Sarah Stierch) > 10. Re: "anonymous (street meat)" (Dominic) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 17:57:12 -0400 > From: Audrey Cormier <cormier.h...@yahoo.ca> > Subject: [Gendergap] Women's Voices Women Vote | feminist lobby group > wants help > To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > Message-ID: <ec558d9b-4cc3-4b8b-9b8d-09c93adee...@yahoo.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I can add info from the draft to the article (under new title to reflect the > organization's new name) this evening, if no one else has done it already. > Will copy edit as well if needed. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 08:42:18 -0700 > From: Pete Forsyth <petefors...@gmail.com> > Subject: [Gendergap] Women, collective intelligence, and Wikipedia > To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects > <gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> > Message-ID: <c3a999fc-5154-4225-9b54-8396642cc...@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > Hi all, > > Eugene Kim, the consultant who facilitated Wikimedia's amazing five-year > strategic planning process, has just posted an interesting blog post (with > his new consulting agency, Groupaya). > > http://groupaya.net/blog/2011/10/do-women-make-groups-smarter/ > > An excerpt: > >> Tom Malone is the director of MIT?s Center for Collective Intelligence. A >> few months ago, he published research with Carnegie Mellon?s Anita Woolley >> suggesting that groups with more women exhibited greater collective >> intelligence. It?s not that women have higher IQs than men. (Individual IQ >> had little correlation with collective intelligence.) It?s that women tend >> to exhibit more social sensitivity than men, and social sensitivity is a >> much stronger contributing factor to group intelligence. > > Kim goes on to discuss the implications for Wikipedia, a project that is > highly collaborative and mostly male. He concludes with the idea that, in the > interest of pursuing more effective collaboration, Wikipedia would benefit > from more participation by women. > > A good read, I recommend it. > -Pete > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 12:20:16 -0400 > From: Sarah Stierch <sarah.stie...@gmail.com> > Subject: [Gendergap] and to contrast...one stop Commons hosiery > shopping! > To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects > <gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> > Message-ID: > <CAKiGLfqA_RUi9_X8US3c=krc34k8xoamdoh1nad+6y_jht+...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > While reviewing new content for my scoop.it ( > http://www.scoop.it/t/women-and-wikimedia), where I posted the recent blog > link that Pete shared..I was suggested this: (safe for work) > > http://hosieryadvocate.blogspot.com/2011/10/hosiery-in-wikimedia-sexy-halloween.html > > The blog writer has an entire set of tags devoted to photographs of women in > hosiery that are found on Wikipedia/Media/Commons. > > Here is the blog when the writer praises Commons for it's excellent job at > categorizing hosiery. > > http://hosieryadvocate.blogspot.com/2011/05/hosiery-in-wikimedia.html > > "Wikimedia Commons <http://commons.wikimedia.org/> does a great job of > finding hosiery photos for you, when you search for hosiery, pantyhose, > tights and stockings, but there are many photos on the site, that do not > turn up with those searches. Those photos show up under different searches, > and will do just fine." > > -- On a personal note, my first high end retail job, at 18, was working in > the hosiery department at Nordstroms. I became well aware of the fetish > around hosiery due to a selected clientele we had. But this gave me quite a > chuckle and brought back "Early retail" memories. > > I'm impressed that so many men know so much about women's hosiery on > Commons, presuming that the majority of categorizers handling that > department are males....(I could be wrong, but statistically...) > > Sarah > > -- > GLAMWIKI Partnership Ambassador for Wikimedia <http://www.glamwiki.org> > Wikipedian-in-Residence, Archives of American > Art<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SarahStierch> > and > Sarah Stierch Consulting > *Historical, cultural & artistic research & advising.* > ------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.sarahstierch.com/ > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/attachments/20111017/5eb10272/attachment-0001.htm > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 08:43:02 -0700 > From: Migdia Chinea <migdia.chi...@gmail.com> > Subject: [Gendergap] "anonymous (street meat)" > To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > Message-ID: > <canpve6v09ja1_8saede0ho14t2w-ohc_ylpxnch_2vnauj5...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > tp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymous_(Street_Meat) > > This deletion was filled with personal remarks and innouendo. It was > discouraging of the posting bny any women. I'm angry and frustrated to have > been singled out. Is that treatment to be expected? Thank you -- > > Migdia Chinea > > -- > Migdia & Cicero & Ulla & Tullia-Zoe & Clodia & Aurelius & Cato the Younger > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/attachments/20111018/a5ca173d/attachment-0001.htm > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 11:53:17 -0400 > From: Nathan <nawr...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] "anonymous (street meat)" > To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects > <gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> > Message-ID: > <calkx9dquouuxpyfs0v2htvbmigm0rqsk8vtuawmovio5t0m...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I looked at the discussion > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Anonymous_(Street_Meat)) > and didn't see personal remarks or innuendo. Can you point me to them? > > On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Migdia Chinea <migdia.chi...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> tp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymous_(Street_Meat) >> >> This deletion was filled with personal remarks and innouendo.? It was >> discouraging of the posting bny any women.? I'm angry and frustrated to have >> been singled out.? Is that treatment to be expected?? Thank you -- >> >> Migdia Chinea >> >> -- >> Migdia & Cicero & Ulla & Tullia-Zoe & Clodia & Aurelius & Cato the Younger >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gendergap mailing list >> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >> >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 13:10:33 -0500 > From: "Michael J. Lowrey" <orangem...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] "anonymous (street meat)" > To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects > <gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> > Message-ID: > <CAMXq-Rc05dHD12n_Ycu+0QEWpUrkhhUv+P3yA5bvKH=onm6...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Nathan <nawr...@gmail.com> wrote: >> I looked at the discussion >> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Anonymous_(Street_Meat)) >> and didn't see personal remarks or innuendo. Can you point me to them? >> >> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Migdia Chinea <migdia.chi...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> tp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymous_(Street_Meat) >>> >>> This deletion was filled with personal remarks and innouendo.? It was >>> discouraging of the posting bny any women.? I'm angry and frustrated to have >>> been singled out.? Is that treatment to be expected?? Thank you -- >>> >>> Migdia Chinea >>> >>> -- >>> Migdia & Cicero & Ulla & Tullia-Zoe & Clodia & Aurelius & Cato the Younger > > Migdia Chinea's only purpose on Wikipedia has been to promote herself > (whom she deems to be notable as an up-and-coming filmmaker) and her > film (ditto). She considers any challenge to her self-promotion to > constitute an assault on herself as a human being and creative worker, > and refuses to heed any of the advice given her. This is not a gender > issue in any way; I ran into similar problems with the male comix > artist Colin Upton, who left Wikipedia after not liking the way other > people treated the article about him. > > -- > Michael J. "Orange Mike" Lowrey > > "When I get a little money I buy books; and if any is left, I buy food > and clothes." > ? ?? --? Desiderius Erasmus > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 11:58:43 -0700 > From: Mig <migdia.chi...@gmail.com> > Subject: [Gendergap] Deterrent > To: "gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org" <gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> > Message-ID: <271baad4-b2f7-4359-8faf-28bfc413e...@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I believe that men editors have targeted me for and with their biases and > have done everything they could to humiliate me publicly , which acts as a > deterrent to female editors who are not well connected with wikipedia ranks. > Please refer to my page. Thank u. Migdia Chinea > > Sent from Migdia's iPhone > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 15:05:04 -0400 > From: Jeremy Baron <jer...@tuxmachine.com> > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Deterrent > To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects > <gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> > Message-ID: > <cae-2ocauvmb4swxv+eofa9qp5voxjsz_y8rgejkfgq2duoa...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 14:58, Mig <migdia.chi...@gmail.com> wrote: >> I believe that men editors have targeted me for and with their biases and >> have done everything they could to humiliate me publicly , which acts as a >> deterrent to female editors who are not well connected with wikipedia ranks. >> ? Please refer to my page. Thank u. Migdia Chinea >> >> Sent from Migdia's iPhone > > I assume you're referring to > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Migdiachinea , is that right? > > Just so people don't have to go searching to find what you're talking about. > > -Jeremy > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 15:10:11 -0400 > From: Sarah Stierch <sarah.stie...@gmail.com> > Subject: [Gendergap] From Jezebel: "Men?s Rights Fight Breaks Out On > Wikipedia" > To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects > <gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> > Message-ID: > <cakiglfrsdvsdks+dibf_w+xnt-qfvzi6q8ctwfgf1lbqwrx...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > http://jezebel.com/e_harm/ > > -- > GLAMWIKI Partnership Ambassador for Wikimedia <http://www.glamwiki.org> > Wikipedian-in-Residence, Archives of American > Art<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SarahStierch> > and > Sarah Stierch Consulting > *Historical, cultural & artistic research & advising.* > ------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.sarahstierch.com/ > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/attachments/20111018/182217d1/attachment-0001.htm > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 19:35:31 -0400 > From: Dominic <dmcde...@cox.net> > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] "anonymous (street meat)" > To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects > <gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> > Message-ID: <4e9e0d43.5010...@cox.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Michael, I think that response is overly harsh, even if it is true that > Migdia's contributions were not appropriate for the encyclopedia. While > there are certainly spammers who act in bad faith, often what > Wikipedians see as self-promotion is not seen or intended that way by > those who contribute it. In particular, when we are talking about > biographical material and issues of notability, it is very easy for the > issue to become personalized, and for the subject to feel like they are > being persecuted on a personal level (being accused of "vanity," called > not "notable"). I am not certain why Migdia says that the comments were > gender-related, but the feeling of having been singled out and insulted > is a common one for those who have had to go through the deletion > process, and we hear it a lot. > > It is important to remember that Wikipedia's definition of terms like > "notability" is jargon and confusing. To a normal person, being notable > means you've done something important; to a Wikipedian, it means > reporters or academics have written about you. In fact, it is quite > possible to debate the merits of an article without accusing anyone of > self-promotion, even if you believe it's true. The self-promotion issue > is beside the point: in general, we delete articles if they fail our > criteria for inclusion and we keep them if they meet them (self-authored > or not). > > Dominic > > On 10/18/11 2:10 PM, Michael J. Lowrey wrote: >> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Nathan<nawr...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> I looked at the discussion >>> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Anonymous_(Street_Meat)) >>> and didn't see personal remarks or innuendo. Can you point me to them? >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Migdia Chinea<migdia.chi...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> tp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymous_(Street_Meat) >>>> >>>> This deletion was filled with personal remarks and innouendo. It was >>>> discouraging of the posting bny any women. I'm angry and frustrated to >>>> have >>>> been singled out. Is that treatment to be expected? Thank you -- >>>> >>>> Migdia Chinea >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Migdia& Cicero& Ulla& Tullia-Zoe& Clodia& Aurelius& Cato the Younger >> Migdia Chinea's only purpose on Wikipedia has been to promote herself >> (whom she deems to be notable as an up-and-coming filmmaker) and her >> film (ditto). She considers any challenge to her self-promotion to >> constitute an assault on herself as a human being and creative worker, >> and refuses to heed any of the advice given her. This is not a gender >> issue in any way; I ran into similar problems with the male comix >> artist Colin Upton, who left Wikipedia after not liking the way other >> people treated the article about him. >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > End of Gendergap Digest, Vol 9, Issue 60 > **************************************** _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
