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I'm very disturbed that my comments are now googleable. And I guess so is this one I'm writing right now. There's no context and it's just ery disturbing. My short has been seen in 25 film festivals around the world and now it appears that any comment I make is googleable, which will have a deleterious effect on me in terms of getting a job. Please remove all my comments. I'm really upset -- I'm afraid of what I say. On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 3:54 AM, <gendergap-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org>wrote: > Send Gendergap mailing list submissions to > gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > gendergap-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > gendergap-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Gendergap digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Catherine Hamlin (Gillian White) > 2. Girl Geeks and a Wikipedia Editing Day (Fiona Apps) > 3. Women celebrating...women! (Sarah Stierch) > 4. Re: the state of civility on en.wiki (Nathan) > 5. Re: the state of civility on en.wiki (Risker) (SpeedyGonsales) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 10:59:12 +1100 > From: Gillian White <whiteghost....@gmail.com> > Subject: [Gendergap] Catherine Hamlin > To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects > <gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> > Message-ID: > <CAMrpCZVFGBxAtkHyGDh2MSfZxC+MDV0j3=k4mzvw5ruwjdh...@mail.gmail.com > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Dear All, > > Since [[Catherine Hamlin]] was invited to lunch by the Queen last week > during her visit here, I thought her article ought to be improved. > (Hamlin's, that is.) It and its companion, the [[Addis Ababa Fistula > Hospital]] were a bit of a mess so I have separated them out and organised > them, linking all the awards and hopefully explaining Hamlin's > contributions better. > > I mentioned her before in an earlier email on this list but now I hope that > readers can better see in these two articles why she is such an amazing > person and such a heroine - someone IMHO of whom everyone on this list > ought to be aware. This is a woman who is personally responsible for curing > thousands of women who would otherwise be cast out and without hope. And > she is still operating - still doing surgery in her mid-eighties and > training others to follow on. In the cosmic scheme of things, had we we > been born in a slightly different place or time, we might have been one of > the women who needed help such as she provides. All her patients have an > obstetric problem that we in the developed world do not have to worry about > anymore as we solved it in the middle of the 20th century. It is completely > preventable with good obstetric care and Hamlin has been giving that > selflessly and expertly for 50 years. Here is someone making a real > difference to women's lives and confronting problems far worse than name > calling. My hat goes off to her ... > > Gillian > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/attachments/20111102/324f4b9c/attachment-0001.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 12:37:42 -0000 > From: "Fiona Apps" <wikipa...@gmail.com> > Subject: [Gendergap] Girl Geeks and a Wikipedia Editing Day > To: "'Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects'" > <gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> > Message-ID: <01f201cc995c$38d7f5e0$aa87e1a0$@com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Heya, > > > > I've put up a geonotice but just in case anyone has them disabled (I > wouldn't blame you), we're having an editing day with the Manchester Girl > Geeks on the 12th. Any presence, female or otherwise, would be appreciated. > Invitations went out today to their 400 strong mailing list and we're > hoping > to have 40 women attend. I think partnership with organisations like the > Girl Geeks really helps to bridge the gender gap. If we get 40 new editors > out of this day that's 40 women who weren't there before. So I want us to > have an enthusiastic show on hand! > > > > Also, I know I put out the call before and I have my responses saved but I > am meeting with the head of the global network today to talk about where we > can feasibly hold talks. The invitations should go out very soon so if > anyone else is willing to volunteer to organise an editing day or give a > talk on Wikipedia to these great women that would make my week. > > > > Lots of wiki-love, > > > > Fiona/Panyd > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/attachments/20111102/57077d3a/attachment-0001.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 13:11:41 -0400 > From: Sarah Stierch <sarah.stie...@gmail.com> > Subject: [Gendergap] Women celebrating...women! > To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects > <gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> > Cc: Lori Phillips <lori.byrd.phill...@gmail.com> > Message-ID: > <cakiglfq36jrcqak5abhq10-fe7tfcfjx8q4uxhhtxz+kh+c...@mail.gmail.com > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > This month Lori Phillips, Wikipedian in Residence at the Children's Museum > of Indianapolis has a two page spread in Indianapolis Woman, Indiana's > biggest magazine dedicated to women. > > http://viewer.zmags.com/publication/03afc96c#/03afc96c/16 > > Lori isn't on this list, so I cc'd her, but, I just wanted to share the > article with everyone here - thumbs up to Lori and and thumbs up to > Indianapolis Woman for taking notice of Lori's great work in the GLAM WIKI > movement. > > No mention of gender concerns or anything like that, but, that doesn't > matter - female Wikipedians getting shown in a positive light about their > work is always needed. Congratulations Lori! > > -Sarah > > -- > <http://www.glamwiki.org> > Sarah Stierch Consulting > *Historical, cultural & artistic research & advising.* > ------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.sarahstierch.com/ > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/attachments/20111102/85f9b1a1/attachment-0001.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 18:52:29 -0400 > From: Nathan <nawr...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] the state of civility on en.wiki > To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects > <gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> > Message-ID: > <CALKX9dRstxd=7oqg1mmk8b3nc7qonxomhaqcndxpf5ysu_t...@mail.gmail.com > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > The particular incident that prompted this thread has spawned a > request for an arbitration case, which apparently is likely to be > accepted. > > I think this would be a really good opportunity for the committee to > make a difference with respect to enabling people with a long history > of rude interactions. If nothing else, discussions on this list have > demonstrated that the often hostile editing atmosphere is a huge, huge > deterrent for many editors and especially for women. Right now, only > the most extreme behavior from non-vested users is sanctioned because > of the many precedents exempting productive users from strict > scrutiny. > > It may be helpful for people who post here to post to the case request > page, and express to the arbitration committee that the value of the > editors being driven away far exceeds the value of the editors > repeatedly given a pass. The selective enforcement of interaction > standards, and the apparent influence of relationships on > decision-making, set an example that hobbles any other efforts at > improving the atmosphere of the project. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2011 11:54:15 +0100 > From: SpeedyGonsales <s...@vip.hr> > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] the state of civility on en.wiki (Risker) > To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > Message-ID: <4eb3c457.6020...@vip.hr> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > On 10/29/2011 12:45 AM, gendergap-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org wrote: > > In other words, as a community we create a climate where poor behaviour > is > > the most effective means to motivate needed changes, where our policies > and > > practices can be used as weapons both to support negative behaviour and > also > > to "punish" positive behaviour, where the boundaries of unacceptable > > behaviour vary widely dependent on a large number of factors and > enforcement > > is extraordinarily inconsistent, and where we openly claim to follow a > > behavioural model that*sounds* progressive but is in reality possibly > even > > more nasty than our own. > > > > On reading far, far back into archives, it appears that "incivility" has > > been a problem almost since the inception of the project. In the early > days > > of the project, blocks and bans were almost non-existent, and huge > amounts > > of time were invested in trying to "correct" behaviour (considerably more > > per capita than today, the community cuts its losses much earlier now > than > > in 2002-04). In fact, blocks and bans were very rare until the arrival > of > > extensive trolling and vandalism in 2005-06, which led to the > appointment of > > a massive number of administrators in 2006-07 in order to address these > > problems. > > > > None of this speaks to solutions, I know. But it is important to put the > > discussion into a more historical context, and to recognize the > flashpoints > > where incivility is often identified. > > > > Risker/Anne > > > > http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2005/05/a-group-is-its-own-worst-enemy.html > > "As a community grows, these types of rules-- neither social nor technical, > but a hybrid of both-- become critical to the survival of the community. > If moderators fail to step in, the damage can be fatal." > > "The likelihood that any unmoderated group will eventually get into > a flame-war about whether or not to have a moderator approaches one > as time increases." > > ---------- > > From my experience (on hr wiki), biggest problem a group (wikiproject) > can have are moderators(admins) which are not up to the task. > > And I am admin (and bureaucrat and CU) who sometimes was but > sometimes also wasn't up to the task, and trolls used that to the maximum. > > En wiki is big, so it will not break if one relatively civil troll hurts > and drive > away 1, 10 or even 50 normal users, but on small projects one or two > such trolls can break WHOLE project either for a year of two, or even > longer. > > Although consequences are not the same, solution should be the same: > > Wikipedia is a project > its users are a group > this project harbors free language and freedom of thought > but trolls should be banned on spot. Sooner the better. > > Longer the discussion, more damage to the project. > > (longer the discussion with troll, or discussion should troll be blocked > or not and for how long - trolls should be blocked for good). > > ---------- > > Notice: I didn't check ANY edit of (problematic) user subject of this > thread, > so I don't know is he or isn't he a troll, and I don't care. > > If he is, he should be blocked for good, sooner the better. > > If he isn't, all who are writing bad here about him are paranoids. > > Beware: smart trolling is very similar to normal argument. So it is very > easy > to let it go, but damage become bigger with every message troll posts. > > > Kind regards > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/attachments/20111104/d8edc12a/attachment.htm > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > End of Gendergap Digest, Vol 10, Issue 2 > **************************************** > -- Migdia & Cicero & Ulla & Tullia-Zoe & Clodia & Aurelius & Cato the Younger
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