Minor whoopsie, but when I was talking about behavior "this thread" should read "these threads." I wasn't meaning to say that there was anything wrong with carol or laura's posts.
On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Kevin Gorman <kgor...@gmail.com> wrote: > I'm not sure what thread these comments would thread best in to, but I'm > just going to put them here since it's the most recent one. I'm not > intending this as a direct reply to anyone, just some thoughts about this > series of threads. > > Content-wise... I think the appropriate scope of this list is anything > related to the gender gap on Wikimedia projects, broadly construed. I > think this can and should include such things as discussion of outreach > methods, discussion of high level ideas about how to help address the gap, > discussion of research (like Joseph Reagle's recent study) about what the > gap actually is and what problems it causes, discussion of people's > experiences on the projects, offering support to people who have had > negative experiences, and discussion of particular problems on any project > that are related to/caused by/exacerbated by the gender gap. I don't see > any particular reason to constrain the scope beyond that, and I don't think > anyone has offered one. If someone does have a good reason to constraint > the scope of the list beyond that, please share it. > > Regarding language-specific content: I can understand why it would be > frustrating for people from non-EN communities to repeatedly see people > discuss EN project contents, but I think the solution to this is not to > avoid talking about EN contents, but to encourage people who speak other > languages to start talking about content from other language > communities. The discussion of EN specific contents has generated tangible, > important results. I do not understand why limiting the discussion of > anything that has directly generated results that has/will positively > impact the gendergap could possibly be a good thing. I would discuss non-EN > things myself, but I don't speak any other language well enough to > understand their communities enough to do so. I will be ecstatic if people > from other communities start sharing their observations here. I mean I > will literally be ecstatic. If anyone is in the SF bay area, we can meet > up and I will buy you a beer and dance a jig to show exactly how ecstatic I > mean. In physical outreach settings I am frequently asked about the gap's > effects on non-EN projects, and never know enough to answer questions well. > > > Traffic-wise since it's been brought up a bit: I don't think that this is > a high enough traffic list to be worth worrying about the small amount of > added load that messages like Sarah's cause. In November, this list had > ~84 messages. That's really pretty low. In comparison, F-L had 427, > India-L had 512, and WLM had 105. If anyone honestly has trouble with the > amount of email on this list, I would suggest either using rules in your > mail client to shunt all gendergap messages off to a subfolder that you can > read at your leisure, or changing to a daily digest (which would cap list > traffic at ~30 messages a month.) If anyone needs a hand with either of > these, shoot me a message off-list and I'll help you through it. > > Behavior-wise... this has not been Foundation-L in the past, and I've been > very glad of that. Some of the comments in this thread have been a lot > closer to things you would see on F-L than to things you've traditionally > seen here. I would hope that other subscribers agree with me that this list > should not become F-L like. I think that it is important that this list > serve as a safe space for discussion, and think that if someone repeatedly > makes other people feel like it's not they should be moderated*, even if > their behavior doesn't stoop to the level that would normally be considered > blockworthy on any of the projects. > > *For those unfamiliar, this would mean that any messages they send to the > list would be held for approval by a moderator before being delivered to > the general list, so that any inappropriate ones could be discarded. > > ---- > Kevin Gorman > User:Kgorman-ucb >
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