On 31 May 2012 14:10, Theo10011 <de10...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 6:10 PM, Andreas Kolbe <jayen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> No. Record-keeping is required by law for images whose production
>> involved actual people engaged in sexually explicit conduct, meaning
>> "actual or simulated—(i) sexual intercourse, including genital-genital,
>> oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the
>> same or opposite sex; (ii) bestiality; (iii) masturbation; (iv) sadistic or
>> masochistic abuse; or (v) lascivious exhibition of the genitals or pubic
>> area of any person."
>>
>> http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2256
>>
>> If creation of the image did not involve real people engaged in such
>> conduct, no record-keeping requirements apply.
>>
>> Note that while the Wikimedia Foundation, due to Section 230(c) safe
>> harbor provisions, does not have a record-keeping duty here, my layman's
>> reading of http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2257 is that every 
>> *individual
>> contributor* who
>>
>> – uploads an image depicting real people engaged in sexually explicit
>> conduct, or
>> – inserts such an image in Wikipedia, or
>> – manages such content on Wikimedia sites,
>>
>> thereby becomes a "secondary producer" required to keep and maintain
>> records documenting the performers' age, name, and consent, with failure to
>> do so punishable by up to five years in prison.
>>
>> Note that this includes anyone, say, inserting an image or video of
>> masturbation in a Wikipedia article or categorising it in Commons without
>> having a written record of the name, age and consent of the person shown on
>> file.
>>
>> I've asked Philippe Beaudette to confirm that this reading is correct. He
>> has said that while they cannot provide legal advice to individual editors,
>> they will put someone to work on that, and that it will be a month or so
>> before they can come back to us.
>>
>
>
> Let me try and give the whole context here. Actually,
> the Wikipedia article[1] on this subject explains the situation much
> better. I'm sure, finer legal minds reading this can correct where I go
> wrong. I am a layman too, and this is my inference from reading about the
> subject.
>
> The law you are speaking of is part of Child Protection and Obscenity
> Enforcement Act of 1988 or and the guideline enforcing them is 2257
> Regulations. It actually placed the burden of record keeping, on the
> primary producers, as in, who is "involved in hiring, contracting for,
> managing, or otherwise arranging for, the participation of the performers
> depicted,". In its original form, it only placed the burden on producers of
> pornographic material to comply with record-keeping.
>
> Now, things got complicated when DOJ added an entirely new class of
> producers you speak of "secondary producers", anyone who "publishes,
> reproduces, or reissues" explicit material. This is where things get
> complicated. What followed was a circuit court decision, and other
> proceedings, that ruled these requirements were facially invalid because
> they imposed an overbroad burden on legitimate, constitutionally protected
> speech.
>
>
That's pretty important then, right? Because IIRC circuit court decisions
inform judgement in later such cases - and the only way the legal
interpretation can be rejudged is in a full appeals court?

Tom
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