No, I'm 100% with you. It's not sexist to recognize that women are studied separately, hell, we have a whole field dedicated to women and gender. I think its incredibly helpful to have women in a separate category to assess our level of coverage for women in that field; knowing where our coverage is deficient is the first step to combating systemic bias.
I think people should be up in arms about sexism on Wikipedia, but the sexism isn't in the existence of "women x" categories, it's in how sparsely they're populated. Kei Sent from my HTC One™ S on T-Mobile. America’s First Nationwide 4G Network. ----- Reply message ----- From: "Sarah Stierch" <sarah.stie...@gmail.com> To: "Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects" <gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: [Gendergap] Liz Henry on women novelists, English Wikipedia, and labelling Date: Sat, Apr 27, 2013 7:32 PM ???? Regardless...I'm beginning to feel like I'm the only person on earth who feels having a category for "Women foo" is a good idea for the sake of women's studies and feminist studies. I find immense value in categories based around gender and ethnicity - it makes my writing and work a lot easier (as a researcher who writes about women and minorities) when working in Wikipedia and wanting to expand content about those subjects. As long as they get listed in other appropriate non-gender/non-ethnicity/non-foo categories, I think it's okay. We're not a library, we're an online collaborative encyclopedia. Even on Wiki, I feel like one of the few people voicing my opinion about it only to get told I'm in the wrong. It's really depressing. I almost feel like a jerk for feeling that way. Go figure. -Sarah On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Akhil Mulgaonker <liberal...@gmail.com>wrote: > Women are inferior to men and exterminated like ants. > > > On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 7:17 AM, Andrew Gray <andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk>wrote: > >> The recent discussion on this (which never really came to a clear >> consensus): >> >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)/Archive_101#Actresses_categorization >> >> - Andrew >> >> On 27 April 2013 01:49, Ryan Kaldari <rkald...@wikimedia.org> wrote: >> > If people are concerned about sexism in Wikipedia categories they >> should be >> > drawing attention to edits like this: >> > >> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Elizabeth_Gillies&curid=19682193&diff=536982107&oldid=536980531 >> > >> > While the rest of the world is moving away from gender-specific job >> names >> > (like policeman and actress), Wikipedia is moving in the opposite >> direction. >> > That seems like a much worse problem than categorizing women as women. >> > >> > Ryan Kaldari >> > >> > >> > On 4/25/13 11:34 PM, Shlomi Fish wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi all, >> >> >> >> On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 13:56:39 -0400 >> >> Sumana Harihareswara <suma...@wikimedia.org> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Wikimedia community member Liz Henry blogs here: >> >>> >> http://bookmaniac.org/journalists-dont-understand-wikipedia-sometimes/ >> >>> and does a little bit of digging into edit histories. >> >>> >> >>> "Just from these three samples, it does not seem that there is any >> >>> particular movement among a group of Wikipedia editors to remove women >> >>> from the “novelists” category and put them in a special women category >> >>> instead. I would say that the general leaning, rather, is to stop >> people >> >>> who would like to label women writers as women writers *in addition* >> to >> >>> labeling them as writers, claiming there is no need for Category: >> >>> American women writers at all and that it is evidence of bias to >> >>> identify them by gender. ... The sexist thing we >> >>> should be up in arms about isn’t labelling women as women! It’s the >> >>> efforts to delete entire categories (like Haitian women writers, for >> >>> example) because someone has decided that that meta-information is >> >>> unnecessary “ghettoization”..." >> >> >> >> Seems like good write-up and I tend to agree. It's too bad there was so >> >> much >> >> misunderstanding in the media about it. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> >> Shlomi Fish >> >> >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Gendergap mailing list >> > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >> >> >> >> -- >> - Andrew Gray >> andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gendergap mailing list >> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >> > > > > -- > *AKHIL MULGAONKER * > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > -- -- *Sarah Stierch* *Museumist, open culture advocate, and Wikimedian* *www.sarahstierch.com*
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