On 5/9/2013 8:57 PM, phoebe ayers wrote:
This is clearly untenable; the projects need to grow experienced contributors who can serve in positions of leadership and as mentors on the projects, and we can't expect everyone to just suck it up ("so sorry, you will have to work with crazy people"). I worry that folks often just find themselves unsupported. I don't know what the answer is.
1. A friendlier place to complain than WP:ANI (which Wikiquette assistance was til they got rid of it)
2. and MORE BLOCKS against jerks from there. I didn't get much help but was less afraid to complain there which at least makes some perps a little nervous. It took me about 4 years before I had courage to go to ANI and I'm pretty assertive. Even now I usually only go for pretty clear cases of abusive Sockpuppets - despite sometimes taking immense sh*t, snide comments and false accusations, blaring and bugling my occassional misstep/loss of temper. It's always nice when other editors stick up for you and tell the offenders to cut it out.) If I had a male handle I'm sure I'd be treated better, and any ANIs about less obvious insults/harassment/ BLP violation/etc. problems would be taken more seriously. (I can't remember details but it seems my first few were not and I gave up. Of course I've been brought there 5-6 times for nonsense which was dismissed.) On the other hand I like the more obnoxious and/or patriarchal male editors having to DEAL with the idea it's a FEMALE who often outsmarts them on more contentious pages and gets more support from other editors who may be assumed to be male. Sometimes I wish I'd find a more lucrative addiction; like being addicted to making money :-) CM PS: I've said variations on the above 2 or 3 times before on this list, but what the heck... _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
