That sounds perfectly reasonable. In the same way: those Christians who didn't stick their head in the lion's mouth should be ashamed. I mean, yes, they'd have ended up decapitated, but they'd have been *part of the solution!* We just need a few more people to get nibbled on before the lions' teeth will be far too worn down to bite anyone else.
On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 9:23 PM, Russavia <russavia.wikipe...@gmail.com>wrote: > Fluff, > > I can only say that with that in mind, you are not part of the > solution, but part of the problem. This isn't an attack in anyway > shape or form on yourself personally, and I hope you realise precisely > what I mean by this. > > That personal invite by myself will always stay open to you, and I'd > be happy to show you the ropes around "my neck of the woods". > > Cheers, > > Russavia > > > On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 4:15 AM, Katherine Casey > <fluffernutter.w...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Alas no, I'm not up to your challenge. I'm subject to quite enough > > aggression and strange sexualization of situations on enwp; I don't have > the > > energy to dive headfirst into an even worse atmosphere of those things on > > Commons. I'm much more comfortable speaking here, in an environment of > > respect and support, than I would ever be there, in an environment where > my > > right to my opinions would be challenged and I'd be shouting into a void > > while thinking that at any moment someone was going to ask me to show my > > "tits". > > > > Not everyone has unlimited tolerance for doing things that make them very > > uncomfortable; as someone whose tolerance for that is perhaps lower than > > some other people's, my hope is that my voice here, where I am > comfortable > > speaking, will be heard - as it seems to be, given this thread and the > > inroads that have been made on Commons as a result of it - and that my > > speaking here it will provide support to the people who are willing to > brave > > that environment. > > > > -Fluff > > > > > > On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Russavia <russavia.wikipe...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> > >> Hey Fluff, > >> > >> Indeed we did have a conversation on IRC the other day. You and I may > not > >> agree on numerous things, and in many instances we have very similar > views > >> (but perhaps you just aren't aware of it), but one thing we surely can > agree > >> on is that by only commenting on this list is not having your voice > heard in > >> the place where it matters -- and that is on Commons. > >> > >> I urged you the other day to come and join us on the project, noting > that > >> you don't have many contributions there > >> (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Fluffernutter), > and > >> I am again urging you to come and join us. > >> > >> Are you up for that challenge? > >> > >> Cheers, > >> > >> Russavia > >> > >> > >> On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 3:36 AM, Katherine Casey > >> <fluffernutter.w...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> Russavia, from the perspective of many people here, "blowing hot air" > on > >>> Commons is the least likely to bring about change of any of the > options you > >>> mention. I know you don't agree with that (you and I had quite a long > IRC > >>> conversation the other day where you made that clear), but it is the > genuine > >>> impression many, many of us have been left with after watching how > >>> discussions tend to go there. > >>> > >>> -Fluff > >>> > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Gendergap mailing list > >> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gendergap mailing list > > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >
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