I'm not sure how anybody implied that males and females are the same. The
fact is,"-tress" words are becoming archiac, and Wikipedia needs to reflect
that.
On Monday, September 16, 2013, john allyn wrote:
> Somehow you appear to think that equality and sameness are synonymous. It
> is not possible to close the gender gap by defining male and female as the
> same. This kind of thinking will drive the wedge deeper because each will
> be invalidated for who they are.
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> Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 15:43:47 -0400
> From: Lane Rasberry <l...@bluerasberry.com <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
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> Hello,
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> I expect that many people will continue to use the term "actress" for
> females in the profession. I notice that the Amy Johnson discussion raises
> that.
>
> A couple of years ago I got to review an elementary English textbook being
> distributed in very large numbers in North India. It was an original work
> seemingly derived from public domain content and had a section on gendered
> nouns, including "negro" and "negress". I looked at the time for a style
> guide on best practices for gendered term and I could not find anything
> clear when I looked then, but obviously there is bad information to be
> found online among the public domain texts and it really grated on me that
> new print works were being distributed to teach children such things.
>
> We might not be so far from the day when someone could publish a Wikipedia
> Manual of Style and expect it to be an authoritative text. I am not sure
> what the right answer is in this case but whatever you find please consider
> noting on the manual of style because this question will come up again.
>
> Thanks for sharing.
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> On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Gobonobo
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> > I've been going through a lot of historical biographies lately and am
> > surprised to see how often archaic gendered terms such as poetess,
> > sculptress, and aviatrix crop up in Wikipedia articles. I know some of
> > these come from the older sources such as the 1911 Britannica, but in
> other
> > cases their inclusion is the result of decisions being made by editors.
> > There's currently a discussion on [[Talk:Amy Johnson]] over whether she
> > should be referred to as an aviatrix, for instance.
> >
> > I'm wondering how this has been dealt with previously and if there are
> > specific policies surrounding such uses. I've found the essays
> > [[Wikipedia:Gender-neutral language]] and [[Wikipedia:Use modern
> language]]
> > and note that [[WP:MOS]] says "use gender-neutral language where this can
> > be done with clarity and precision". It seems as if despite these fairly
> > clear precepts, the use of these terms persists.
> >
> > Are there any archaic terms where it has been broadly agreed that using
> > them is not encyclopedic? I would be much obliged if anyone could point
> me
> > to previous discussions about this.
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