Sorry to read that, Sarah. But maybe you just need a new project! I must admit I make way more edits on Wikidata than anywhere else these days - I believe that is where I can make the most effective contribution. I can't resist writing articles on Wikipedia now and then though.
On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 5:56 PM, Sarah Stierch <sarah.stie...@gmail.com> wrote: > Yeah..I don't edit as much as I used to on Wikipedia now. I am obsessed > with Wikidata and doing more work in Commons again (shocker). :) It's been > a while since i've even written an article. But, i do edit each day, just > little things, not as prolific as I once was. I'd gladly do it if I was a > Wikipedian in Residence again, I like having missions...and I'm burnt out > on writing about "women" on Wikipedia. And most of the major projects I've > started or been involved in have been completed to the point where I'm no > longer interested. > > It just wears me out. I feel like every place I step on Wikipedia could > lead to me getting harassed or called out on something or whatever..it's > like walking on egg shells. This coming from a person who helped lead the > fight in creating 'nice' culture on Wikipedia. People just can't let things > go, and it just thwarts the energy and passion I have towards editing > myself. > > But, i've had the pleasure of helping women around the world learn how to > edit, so I guess that whole idea of cloning myself sort of worked :) > > -Sarah > > -Sarah > > On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 8:27 AM, Carol Moore dc <carolmoor...@verizon.net> > wrote: > >> Good points, Jane Part of a hostile editing environment is the "either >> they ignore you or they insult you" phenomena. I'm sure a lot of women do >> quit for just the reason Jane describes - being ignored. >> >> I got that quoted phrase from a woman complaining about it in some >> mainstream article a few years ago. That made a lot of my experiences in >> email finally comprehensible. I found if I came up with a good idea, I >> was ignored. If I said something a bit outrageous in conjunction with that >> idea, some people might actually note the idea and comment on it, among all >> the outraged guys complaining about whatever (unladylike?) comment I made >> in conjunction with it. >> >> By the time I came to Wikipedia I was aware of that behavior and trying >> to find new strategies to get appropriate attention. Of course, on >> Wikipedia one doesn't have to go out of one's way to get attention if one >> regularly practices correcting editors, reverting them, seeking third >> opinions or going to noticeboards, any of which some editors also consider >> outrageous - particularly if the editor is perceived as being a women. >> >> Of course, if the editors in a specific culture - as where Jane was >> editing - choose to ignore women even when they are disagreeing with them >> or, in their eyes, acting outrageous, then that observation would not hold. >> >> CM >> >> >> On 12/30/2014 10:21 AM, Jane Darnell wrote: >> >> Hmm. I stopped editing the Dutch Wikipedia because it just wasn't any fun >> anymore. I would never say I experienced barriers to entry or that there >> were barriers to continued participation. It is more that there was a >> continuous vacuum of silence that made participation feel like I was on an >> island all of the time. I was never invited to the discussion table on any >> specific subject, and if I stumbled across one, once there, my replies to >> statements were never answered directly, but indirectly in replies to >> others. I was never addressed personally and asked for an opinion. That >> doesn't happen regularly on Commons or the English Wikipedia either, but I >> feel much less on an island in bth of those projects and much more a part >> of a community. Any contribution I made to an ongoing discussion on the >> Dutch Wikipedia just stopped the discussion altogether or was simply >> ignored. I vaguely remember a few deletion discussions where my objections >> were brushed off with ridiculous arguments - so ridiculous that I wouldn't >> know what to reply in all seriousness. Of course I can't back this up with >> diffs and it is just a feeling, but it's because of the feeling that I >> stopped contributing. I guess I also got tired of always linking to >> redlinks in my area of interest - there are just more people working in my >> area of interest on the English Wikipedia, so that I feel I can lean more >> on the work of others. >> >> On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Carol Moore dc <carolmoor...@verizon.net >> > wrote: >> >>> This point is so important I gave it its own subject line. Perhaps >>> this language can be worked into the statement of purpose of all the WMF >>> Gender gap projects... I also think Kerry should turn her whole excellent >>> statement into an essay for the WMF site and it should be linked from GGTF >>> main page. >>> >>> On 12/29/2014 4:07 PM, Kerry Raymond wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Does it matter? Believe me, a lot of people get really stuck at this >>> point and frame it as “well, if women don’t want to edit Wikipedia, does it >>> really matter? It’s their choice, isn’t it?” This is something that really >>> needs to get reframed. Yes, of course, many women don’t Wikipedia because >>> they simply aren’t interested in doing so (ditto many men). But there are >>> barriers to entry and barriers to continued participation by women who are >>> interested in doing so compared to men. Try to reframe it “are women >>> equally able to edit Wikipedia” or “are there barriers to women editing?”. >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Gendergap mailing list >>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please >>> visit: >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gendergap mailing listgender...@lists.wikimedia.org >> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please >> visit:https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gendergap mailing list >> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please >> visit: >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >> > > > > -- > > Sarah Stierch > > ----- > > Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization. > > www.sarahstierch.com > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please > visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >
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