Thanks for your very eloquent response, Sydney, I strongly second that thought.
Amy On Apr 9, 2015 3:29 PM, "Sydney Poore" <sydney.po...@gmail.com> wrote: > Yes, and its patronizing to write a blog post about NPOV policy directed > at the community members who organize community outreach events for > feminists. > > Especially condescending towards art+feminism community organizers who > brilliantly executed a well thought out plan that included pre-event > training materials and sessions, as well as materials to be used the day of > the event. > > Maybe, we could assume that the people planning the events understand > Wikipedia policy and don't need to be schooled about basic policy. > > The blog portrays the attitude that feminists who plan events are not true > members of the community and need special scrutiny to keep them from > ruining content. > > This is exactly the type of attitude that makes Wikipedia an unwelcoming > place for people who are not part of the dominant demographic group or are > newcomers with enthusiasm for improving Wikipedia. > > Sydney > User:FloNight > On Apr 9, 2015 2:30 PM, "Ryan Kaldari" <rkald...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > >> I find the entire premise of this essay to be a bit misguided. Do we >> really need to worry about tamping down the trickle of feminists editing >> art articles on Wikipedia? There are easily ten times more men's rights >> activists editing Wikipedia than feminists, and they actively organize >> off-wiki to subvert NPOV. Why does no one care about that? Why not write a >> blog post about men's rights activists running meat-puppet campaigns and >> trying to white-wash articles about rape and domestic violence? If >> anything, having a handful of feminists on Wikipedia might serve to keep >> them in check. >> >> "Also, don't revise existing articles because you feel there is a male >> bias in them." >> This is terrible advice. For example, I significantly revised the >> "dating" article a few years ago because it had an obvious male bias and >> seemed to be intended only for a male audience. Why should people leave >> articles with a male bias? NPOV doesn't mean leave articles with whatever >> bias they started with. >> >> Also, I find it strange that your article implies that feminists can't >> write from a neutral point of view. Feminism is about equality of the sexes >> and opposing stereotypes and biases. It isn't about making women look >> better than men or excluding the male point of view. I think feminists make >> great Wikipedia editors. Look at Adrianne Wadewitz: 37 featured articles! I >> would gladly take 1000 more Adrianne Wadewitzs as Wikipedia editors! >> >> Kaldari >> >> On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 8:23 AM, J Hayes <slowki...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> nice wiki-splaining - the problem with your thesis: >>> " >>> >>> *What we don't need, however, is more feminists."* >>> is labeling and the double standard of "civility enforcement" >>> >>> as Djembayz said at Signpost: >>> "the rules on Wikipedia are not clear, the enforcement on disruptive >>> behavior is arbitrary or non-existent. Online game players, vulgarians, and >>> sea-lioning <http://simplikation.com/why-sealioning-is-bad/> randos who >>> congregate here can be as disruptive and outrageous as they wish, with >>> impunity. They don't care, because they don't have to." >>> >>> until the systemic bias in "civility enforcement" is dealt with, your >>> thesis will be a dead letter with me. >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Sydney Poore <sydney.po...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> This part of the "we" of Wikipedians...me..wants feminist to edit >>>> Wikipedia, as well as people who want to solely add articles about women. >>>> >>>> What I ask of you is to stand back so that those of us who are >>>> interested in creating an inclusive editing community can do so without >>>> being hindered. Because there is simply no way that Wikipedia's content can >>>> be neutral without a large and inclusive body of people creating it. >>>> >>>> Warm regards, >>>> Sydney Poore >>>> User:FloNight >>>> On Apr 9, 2015 10:27 AM, "Lukas Mezger (Wikipedia)" < >>>> lukas.mez...@wikipedia.de> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear readers of the gender gap mailing list, >>>>> >>>>> My name is Lukas and I am a German Wikipedian (User:Gnom). >>>>> >>>>> I recently wrote a blog post on Wikipedia and feminism >>>>> <https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:Gnom/Blog#2_April_2015:_A_blog_post_on_Wikipedia_and_feminism.> >>>>> and was encouraged to share it with this list. >>>>> >>>>> As I am very new to the gender gap debate, I would appreciate your >>>>> comments. >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Lukas Mezger >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Gendergap mailing list >>>>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, >>>>> please visit: >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Gendergap mailing list >>>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, >>>> please visit: >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Gendergap mailing list >>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please >>> visit: >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gendergap mailing list >> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please >> visit: >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >> > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please > visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >
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