Hi all, Just wanted to let you know that we are aware of the anomaly in Regina, and are working to figure out want happened. We will include our findings in our final report on meta wiki.
Best, Siân + Jackie + Michael Art+Feminism lead co-organizers Sent from 📱 > On Mar 13, 2016, at 8:00 AM, gendergap-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org wrote: > > Send Gendergap mailing list submissions to > gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > gendergap-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > gendergap-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Gendergap digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Systematic tagging for deletion of articles created at Art > And Feminism editathon (Neotarf) > 2. Re: Systematic tagging for deletion of articles created at > Art And Feminism editathon (Carol Moore dc) > 3. Re: Systematic tagging for deletion of articles created at > Art And Feminism editathon (Ryan Kaldari) > 4. Re: Systematic tagging for deletion of articles created at > Art And Feminism editathon (Emily Monroe) > 5. Re: Systematic tagging for deletion of articles created at > Art And Feminism editathon (Pete Forsyth) > 6. Re: Systematic tagging for deletion of articles created at > Art And Feminism editathon (Risker) > 7. Re: Systematic tagging for deletion of articles created at > Art And Feminism editathon (Emily Monroe) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2016 10:17:26 -0500 > From: Neotarf <neot...@gmail.com> > To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the > participation of women within Wikimedia projects." > <gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: [Gendergap] Systematic tagging for deletion of articles > created at Art And Feminism editathon > Message-ID: > <calikunkxyhgv7gus4bvc8ua3m6bxgr0_ag33c6zyemm7ti+...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > All the articles created at Regina ArtAndFeminism event have been tagged. > Ten of them have been submitted for deletion. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Regina/ArtAndFeminism_2016/University_of_Regina > > For example, see comments here: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Risa_Horowitz > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/attachments/20160312/c15c83b7/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2016 12:27:48 -0500 > From: Carol Moore dc <carolmoor...@verizon.net> > To: Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the > participation of women within Wikimedia "projects." > <gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Systematic tagging for deletion of articles > created at Art And Feminism editathon > Message-ID: <56e45194.8050...@verizon.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Someone should write a letter to the editor of the those 5 or 6 > publications that came in my google alerts on the topic of the edit a > thon. (Search news google to find them.) And of course deal with the > few legtimate complaints and the trolls with nonsense complaints. > >> On 3/12/2016 10:17 AM, Neotarf wrote: >> All the articles created at Regina ArtAndFeminism event have been >> tagged. Ten of them have been submitted for deletion. >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Regina/ArtAndFeminism_2016/University_of_Regina >> >> For example, see comments here: >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Risa_Horowitz >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gendergap mailing list >> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please >> visit: >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2016 13:48:38 -0600 > From: Ryan Kaldari <rkald...@wikimedia.org> > To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the > participation of women within Wikimedia projects." > <gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Systematic tagging for deletion of articles > created at Art And Feminism editathon > Message-ID: > <CACT3B=uhpo18h63wxsareqxeou70dgl8bpf4atgrxglog_d...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I find it disappointing that so many of the Art and Feminism editathons end > up focusing almost exclusively on creating new articles for artists at the > hosting institution. Not only does this lead to a high percentage of the > articles being deleted, but it's a waste of a huge opportunity to create > and expand articles about artists and artworks with unquestionable > notability and high encyclopedic value. > > I have no doubt that many of the Art and Feminism articles that are > nominated for deletion are nominated due to gender bias (as some of them > seem rather trivial to find sources for and improve), but many of them are > also legitimately on the notability borderline. At all of the Art and > Feminism editathons that I've volunteered at, I've discouraged people from > creating articles about people they knew personally, and encouraged them to > use the lists at > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/ArtAndFeminism/Tasks > instead. If you are helping to run an Art and Feminism editathon, I would > also suggest doing this, as it provides more value for Wikipedia and leads > to fewer deletions. I would also like to encourage everyone to edit the > lists at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/ArtAndFeminism/Tasks > and help keep them full of good suggestions. Editathons are a great tool > for addressing the gendergap, and I would hate for them to get a reputation > for just being self-promotional events. > > On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 11:27 AM, Carol Moore dc <carolmoor...@verizon.net> > wrote: > >> Someone should write a letter to the editor of the those 5 or 6 >> publications that came in my google alerts on the topic of the edit a thon. >> (Search news google to find them.) And of course deal with the few >> legtimate complaints and the trolls with nonsense complaints. >> >> >>> On 3/12/2016 10:17 AM, Neotarf wrote: >>> >>> All the articles created at Regina ArtAndFeminism event have been >>> tagged. Ten of them have been submitted for deletion. >>> >>> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Regina/ArtAndFeminism_2016/University_of_Regina >>> >>> For example, see comments here: >>> >>> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Risa_Horowitz >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Gendergap mailing list >>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please >>> visit: >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gendergap mailing list >> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please >> visit: >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/attachments/20160312/5c5d1882/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2016 16:08:03 -0800 > From: Emily Monroe <emilymonro...@gmail.com> > To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects > <gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Systematic tagging for deletion of articles > created at Art And Feminism editathon > Message-ID: > <CADONt8T8u=qr4enofo6r5nzq39wy9y7lour92kzur7frnzk...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > In general, creating articles are very difficult. The learning curve is > steep, and it may be best to have people expand/improve articles instead of > creating them. > > From, > Emily >> On Mar 12, 2016 11:48 AM, "Ryan Kaldari" <rkald...@wikimedia.org> wrote: >> >> I find it disappointing that so many of the Art and Feminism editathons >> end up focusing almost exclusively on creating new articles for artists at >> the hosting institution. Not only does this lead to a high percentage of >> the articles being deleted, but it's a waste of a huge opportunity to >> create and expand articles about artists and artworks with unquestionable >> notability and high encyclopedic value. >> >> I have no doubt that many of the Art and Feminism articles that are >> nominated for deletion are nominated due to gender bias (as some of them >> seem rather trivial to find sources for and improve), but many of them are >> also legitimately on the notability borderline. At all of the Art and >> Feminism editathons that I've volunteered at, I've discouraged people from >> creating articles about people they knew personally, and encouraged them to >> use the lists at >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/ArtAndFeminism/Tasks >> instead. If you are helping to run an Art and Feminism editathon, I would >> also suggest doing this, as it provides more value for Wikipedia and leads >> to fewer deletions. I would also like to encourage everyone to edit the >> lists at >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/ArtAndFeminism/Tasks and >> help keep them full of good suggestions. Editathons are a great tool for >> addressing the gendergap, and I would hate for them to get a reputation for >> just being self-promotional events. >> >> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 11:27 AM, Carol Moore dc <carolmoor...@verizon.net >>> wrote: >> >>> Someone should write a letter to the editor of the those 5 or 6 >>> publications that came in my google alerts on the topic of the edit a thon. >>> (Search news google to find them.) And of course deal with the few >>> legtimate complaints and the trolls with nonsense complaints. >>> >>> >>>> On 3/12/2016 10:17 AM, Neotarf wrote: >>>> >>>> All the articles created at Regina ArtAndFeminism event have been >>>> tagged. Ten of them have been submitted for deletion. >>>> >>>> >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Regina/ArtAndFeminism_2016/University_of_Regina >>>> >>>> For example, see comments here: >>>> >>>> >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Risa_Horowitz >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Gendergap mailing list >>>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please >>>> visit: >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >>> --- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Gendergap mailing list >>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please >>> visit: >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gendergap mailing list >> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please >> visit: >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/attachments/20160312/91036b06/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2016 16:14:31 -0800 > From: Pete Forsyth <petefors...@gmail.com> > To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the > participation of women within Wikimedia projects." > <gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Systematic tagging for deletion of articles > created at Art And Feminism editathon > Message-ID: > <cagwts0haner3dve2weh1-f83e0scbzva9ljwkesueucyynn...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I very much agree, Emily. I wonder if this time, perhaps all the (wonderful > and timely) media coverage of Emily Temple Wood's efforts to create new > articles may have influenced organizers and/or participants? Perhaps it > created a bit of a consensus, conscious or unconscious, that *creating new > articles* was the main desired result. > > If so, this might be a bit of a one-time anomaly, may not indicate a need > for major changes. > > -Pete > [[User:Peteforsyth]] > > On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Emily Monroe <emilymonro...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> In general, creating articles are very difficult. The learning curve is >> steep, and it may be best to have people expand/improve articles instead of >> creating them. >> >> From, >> Emily >>> On Mar 12, 2016 11:48 AM, "Ryan Kaldari" <rkald...@wikimedia.org> wrote: >>> >>> I find it disappointing that so many of the Art and Feminism editathons >>> end up focusing almost exclusively on creating new articles for artists at >>> the hosting institution. Not only does this lead to a high percentage of >>> the articles being deleted, but it's a waste of a huge opportunity to >>> create and expand articles about artists and artworks with unquestionable >>> notability and high encyclopedic value. >>> >>> I have no doubt that many of the Art and Feminism articles that are >>> nominated for deletion are nominated due to gender bias (as some of them >>> seem rather trivial to find sources for and improve), but many of them are >>> also legitimately on the notability borderline. At all of the Art and >>> Feminism editathons that I've volunteered at, I've discouraged people from >>> creating articles about people they knew personally, and encouraged them to >>> use the lists at >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/ArtAndFeminism/Tasks >>> instead. If you are helping to run an Art and Feminism editathon, I would >>> also suggest doing this, as it provides more value for Wikipedia and leads >>> to fewer deletions. I would also like to encourage everyone to edit the >>> lists at >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/ArtAndFeminism/Tasks and >>> help keep them full of good suggestions. Editathons are a great tool for >>> addressing the gendergap, and I would hate for them to get a reputation for >>> just being self-promotional events. >>> >>> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 11:27 AM, Carol Moore dc < >>> carolmoor...@verizon.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Someone should write a letter to the editor of the those 5 or 6 >>>> publications that came in my google alerts on the topic of the edit a thon. >>>> (Search news google to find them.) And of course deal with the few >>>> legtimate complaints and the trolls with nonsense complaints. >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 3/12/2016 10:17 AM, Neotarf wrote: >>>>> >>>>> All the articles created at Regina ArtAndFeminism event have been >>>>> tagged. Ten of them have been submitted for deletion. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Regina/ArtAndFeminism_2016/University_of_Regina >>>>> >>>>> For example, see comments here: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Risa_Horowitz >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Gendergap mailing list >>>>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, >>>>> please visit: >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >>>> --- >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Gendergap mailing list >>>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please >>>> visit: >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Gendergap mailing list >>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please >>> visit: >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gendergap mailing list >> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please >> visit: >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/attachments/20160312/930f2c50/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2016 19:27:09 -0500 > From: Risker <risker...@gmail.com> > To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the > participation of women within Wikimedia projects." > <gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Systematic tagging for deletion of articles > created at Art And Feminism editathon > Message-ID: > <capxs8ythaeijkw3qtph7vjpx0fhe0q5z7aebvpqw5+gnsmq...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > While the coverage wouldn't have hurt, the bottom line is that people would > rather create something of their own than work on something started by > someone else. This is a reality, and it's one of the main reasons that > people perceive Wikipedia as being "hard". Emily is right, creating new > articles *is* hard; I'm pretty sure over the last 10 years I've created > fewer than 15 articles. But "improving" an article is also hard, if the > one you choose is "monitored" by a die-hard fan or someone who doesn't get > the meaning of WP:OWN. I think that experienced editors (with emphasis on > the word "editor" here) sometimes don't understand that many people get > little pleasure out of improving what they see as someone else's creation; > they want to have their own creation, that they can point to and say "I did > that". It's exactly why we get people constantly pushing the boundaries of > notability - not necessarily because they see a gap, but because they > figure it's a way to gain recognition for creating a big pile of articles. > > We have to bear in mind that we're dealing with multiple agendas in these > specific edit-a-thons. There's the "all art is tremendously important" > agenda, there's the "women are not given their due" agenda, there's the > commercial or self-interest agenda (one that is often ignored in some of > these specialized group activities). Plus of course there is the "let's > make Wikipedia better" agenda that's common to all edit-a-thons. > > Risker/Anne > > > > >> On 12 March 2016 at 19:14, Pete Forsyth <petefors...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I very much agree, Emily. I wonder if this time, perhaps all the >> (wonderful and timely) media coverage of Emily Temple Wood's efforts to >> create new articles may have influenced organizers and/or participants? >> Perhaps it created a bit of a consensus, conscious or unconscious, that >> *creating new articles* was the main desired result. >> >> If so, this might be a bit of a one-time anomaly, may not indicate a need >> for major changes. >> >> -Pete >> [[User:Peteforsyth]] >> >> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Emily Monroe <emilymonro...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> In general, creating articles are very difficult. The learning curve is >>> steep, and it may be best to have people expand/improve articles instead of >>> creating them. >>> >>> From, >>> Emily >>>> On Mar 12, 2016 11:48 AM, "Ryan Kaldari" <rkald...@wikimedia.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> I find it disappointing that so many of the Art and Feminism editathons >>>> end up focusing almost exclusively on creating new articles for artists at >>>> the hosting institution. Not only does this lead to a high percentage of >>>> the articles being deleted, but it's a waste of a huge opportunity to >>>> create and expand articles about artists and artworks with unquestionable >>>> notability and high encyclopedic value. >>>> >>>> I have no doubt that many of the Art and Feminism articles that are >>>> nominated for deletion are nominated due to gender bias (as some of them >>>> seem rather trivial to find sources for and improve), but many of them are >>>> also legitimately on the notability borderline. At all of the Art and >>>> Feminism editathons that I've volunteered at, I've discouraged people from >>>> creating articles about people they knew personally, and encouraged them to >>>> use the lists at >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/ArtAndFeminism/Tasks >>>> instead. If you are helping to run an Art and Feminism editathon, I would >>>> also suggest doing this, as it provides more value for Wikipedia and leads >>>> to fewer deletions. I would also like to encourage everyone to edit the >>>> lists at >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/ArtAndFeminism/Tasks and >>>> help keep them full of good suggestions. Editathons are a great tool for >>>> addressing the gendergap, and I would hate for them to get a reputation for >>>> just being self-promotional events. >>>> >>>> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 11:27 AM, Carol Moore dc < >>>> carolmoor...@verizon.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Someone should write a letter to the editor of the those 5 or 6 >>>>> publications that came in my google alerts on the topic of the edit a >>>>> thon. >>>>> (Search news google to find them.) And of course deal with the few >>>>> legtimate complaints and the trolls with nonsense complaints. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 3/12/2016 10:17 AM, Neotarf wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> All the articles created at Regina ArtAndFeminism event have been >>>>>> tagged. Ten of them have been submitted for deletion. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Regina/ArtAndFeminism_2016/University_of_Regina >>>>>> >>>>>> For example, see comments here: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Risa_Horowitz >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Gendergap mailing list >>>>>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, >>>>>> please visit: >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >>>>> --- >>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Gendergap mailing list >>>>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, >>>>> please visit: >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Gendergap mailing list >>>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please >>>> visit: >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Gendergap mailing list >>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please >>> visit: >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gendergap mailing list >> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please >> visit: >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/attachments/20160312/e07c9dd0/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2016 22:03:06 -0800 > From: Emily Monroe <emilymonro...@gmail.com> > To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the > participation of women within Wikimedia projects." > <gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Systematic tagging for deletion of articles > created at Art And Feminism editathon > Message-ID: > <CADONt8T=AwCG-BomywcCDOJRRw=cq0qox3p0woh9dxn_0uh...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I wonder why, if pointing to an article and saying "I did that" is so > valued among newer members of the Wikipedian community, that WP:OWN isn't > more of an issue. Is it because most new articles "fall through the > cracks", so to speak, not to be edited again until weeks, if not months or > in a few cases years until after the initial editing spree? > > From, > Emily > >> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Risker <risker...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> While the coverage wouldn't have hurt, the bottom line is that people >> would rather create something of their own than work on something started >> by someone else. This is a reality, and it's one of the main reasons that >> people perceive Wikipedia as being "hard". Emily is right, creating new >> articles *is* hard; I'm pretty sure over the last 10 years I've created >> fewer than 15 articles. But "improving" an article is also hard, if the >> one you choose is "monitored" by a die-hard fan or someone who doesn't get >> the meaning of WP:OWN. I think that experienced editors (with emphasis on >> the word "editor" here) sometimes don't understand that many people get >> little pleasure out of improving what they see as someone else's creation; >> they want to have their own creation, that they can point to and say "I did >> that". It's exactly why we get people constantly pushing the boundaries of >> notability - not necessarily because they see a gap, but because they >> figure it's a way to gain recognition for creating a big pile of articles. >> >> We have to bear in mind that we're dealing with multiple agendas in these >> specific edit-a-thons. There's the "all art is tremendously important" >> agenda, there's the "women are not given their due" agenda, there's the >> commercial or self-interest agenda (one that is often ignored in some of >> these specialized group activities). Plus of course there is the "let's >> make Wikipedia better" agenda that's common to all edit-a-thons. >> >> Risker/Anne >> >> >> >> >>> On 12 March 2016 at 19:14, Pete Forsyth <petefors...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I very much agree, Emily. I wonder if this time, perhaps all the >>> (wonderful and timely) media coverage of Emily Temple Wood's efforts to >>> create new articles may have influenced organizers and/or participants? >>> Perhaps it created a bit of a consensus, conscious or unconscious, that >>> *creating new articles* was the main desired result. >>> >>> If so, this might be a bit of a one-time anomaly, may not indicate a need >>> for major changes. >>> >>> -Pete >>> [[User:Peteforsyth]] >>> >>> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Emily Monroe <emilymonro...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> In general, creating articles are very difficult. The learning curve is >>>> steep, and it may be best to have people expand/improve articles instead of >>>> creating them. >>>> >>>> From, >>>> Emily >>>>> On Mar 12, 2016 11:48 AM, "Ryan Kaldari" <rkald...@wikimedia.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I find it disappointing that so many of the Art and Feminism editathons >>>>> end up focusing almost exclusively on creating new articles for artists at >>>>> the hosting institution. Not only does this lead to a high percentage of >>>>> the articles being deleted, but it's a waste of a huge opportunity to >>>>> create and expand articles about artists and artworks with unquestionable >>>>> notability and high encyclopedic value. >>>>> >>>>> I have no doubt that many of the Art and Feminism articles that are >>>>> nominated for deletion are nominated due to gender bias (as some of them >>>>> seem rather trivial to find sources for and improve), but many of them are >>>>> also legitimately on the notability borderline. At all of the Art and >>>>> Feminism editathons that I've volunteered at, I've discouraged people from >>>>> creating articles about people they knew personally, and encouraged them >>>>> to >>>>> use the lists at >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/ArtAndFeminism/Tasks >>>>> instead. If you are helping to run an Art and Feminism editathon, I would >>>>> also suggest doing this, as it provides more value for Wikipedia and leads >>>>> to fewer deletions. I would also like to encourage everyone to edit the >>>>> lists at >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/ArtAndFeminism/Tasks >>>>> and help keep them full of good suggestions. Editathons are a great tool >>>>> for addressing the gendergap, and I would hate for them to get a >>>>> reputation >>>>> for just being self-promotional events. >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 11:27 AM, Carol Moore dc < >>>>> carolmoor...@verizon.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Someone should write a letter to the editor of the those 5 or 6 >>>>>> publications that came in my google alerts on the topic of the edit a >>>>>> thon. >>>>>> (Search news google to find them.) And of course deal with the few >>>>>> legtimate complaints and the trolls with nonsense complaints. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 3/12/2016 10:17 AM, Neotarf wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All the articles created at Regina ArtAndFeminism event have been >>>>>>> tagged. Ten of them have been submitted for deletion. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Regina/ArtAndFeminism_2016/University_of_Regina >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For example, see comments here: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Risa_Horowitz >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Gendergap mailing list >>>>>>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, >>>>>>> please visit: >>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >>>>>> --- >>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Gendergap mailing list >>>>>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, >>>>>> please visit: >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Gendergap mailing list >>>>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, >>>>> please visit: >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Gendergap mailing list >>>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please >>>> visit: >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Gendergap mailing list >>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please >>> visit: >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gendergap mailing list >> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please >> visit: >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/attachments/20160312/f49066fd/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please > visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > ------------------------------ > > End of Gendergap Digest, Vol 62, Issue 10 > ***************************************** _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
