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Correct. I've heard about the height difference trick. There are some
others too, like trying different
polarities and even bouncing around buildings in rural locations.
Wireless networking is definitely
an area where some creativity can make things possible.
It's starting to look like we may be able to look forward to more
frequency ranges being opened up
for unlicensed use. I've seen a couple slashdot articles here and there
mentioning that the FCC may reclaim some of the bands that have been
bought and never used. That would certainly start
making things a bit more interesting.
-Tim
On Tue, 2001-12-18 at 16:15, Kris A. Wotipka wrote:
true,
these are issues I take for granted............. maybe I need to add the
disclaimer about reading FCC Part 15............etc, etc, etc. However,
depending on your application, there are several legal ways to increase you
effectiveness. Again, before you attempt this, read the legalease........
The ultimate way to increase the effectiveness of any radio system is to be
able to sweep the area in question to determine if there is any other
transmitters in the area that could affect the signal.
The 2.4Ghz band that most wireless access devices use is also popluated by
cordless phones (home not cellular/PCS), A/V transmitters (like the Wavecom
Jr's), Other 802.11 devices, some amature radio, and the ever popular
Microwave oven (while not on the same frequency, can wreak localized havoc).
Like anything, a good site plan and research is your best friend when
thinking about shooting wireless. Height also helps. I have noticed that
most of the 802.11 over distance sites out there talk about shooting it up
to
mountain tops, especially some of the amature radio stuff, for repeating to
another area.
kw
On Tuesday 18 December 2001 15:55, you wrote:
> There are FCC issues even without adding external amplifiers. Increasing
> the gain increases the total power output off the radio, and anything
> over 1 watt is prohibited. That's not to say that you can't get away
> with it, but it's not something that you can sell, or even safely
> recommend to someone. The FCC also limits configurations of the pre-made
> stuff too. You can't go putting the highest amplifier on the highest
> gain antennas and be legal. This is also why you'll notice that one
> vendor's radios don't work with another's connectors, every
> configuration has to be pre-certified before they're allowed to sell it.
>
> -Tim
>
>
> On Tue, 2001-12-18 at 14:54, Kris A. Wotipka wrote:
>
>
> We have a couple of WAP 11's over here in Abbeville...... we played
> around with them and on the tests got 300' from an indoor location to an
> outdoor location. When it came down to the day of the event, we were lucky
> for 30' line of sight.
>
> We have learned alot since then and have been looking at alternate
> designs including (pringles can project, high gain omni's, and recycled
> Primestar dishes). However, we have too many trees and too few tall
> buildings to really test it out down here.
>
> I build a omni and w/o a accurate way to test it, all I can say is
that
> it does a bit better than the factory antennas.
>
> There are also other ways (amps, etc) but most involve FCC issues and
> $$$$.......... we are looking for the most bang for the buck here.
>
> We are currently looking at maps and sat photos for a 1/2 mile hop
here
> in town. We'll keep you posted if it works
>
> kw
>
> On Tuesday 18 December 2001 14:18, you wrote:
> > Theoretically, and with the right equipment ($), over 20 miles is
> > attainable.
> >
> > -Tim
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 2001-12-18 at 13:57, Dustin Puryear wrote:
> >
> >
> > What is the range on that anyway?
> >
> > ---
> > Dustin Puryear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kris A. Wotipka
> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 1:43 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: [brluglist] Diagnostics
> > >
> > >
> > > Since it is made for a smaller format the ISO is pretty small
> > > (around 30 MB
> > > Adam will know this better). It may not be that painful of a
> > > down load for
> > > the 56K guys.
> > >
> > > Is anyone in BR playing around with 802.11 (wireless
> > > networking) over any distance? We have tooled around a bit
> > > with it here in Abbeville and would
> > > like to get more people interested in some alternative
homemade
> > > antennas.
> > > Might help the 56K guys out......
> > >
> > >
> > > kw
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<BODY>Correct. I've heard about the height difference trick. There are some
others too, like trying different<br>
polarities and even bouncing around buildings in rural locations. Wireless
networking is definitely<br>
an area where some creativity can make things possible. <br>
<br>
It's starting to look like we may be able to look forward to more frequency
ranges being opened up <br>
for unlicensed use. I've seen a couple slashdot articles here and there
mentioning that the FCC may reclaim some of the bands that have been bought and
never used. That would certainly start<br>
making things a bit more interesting.<br>
<br>
-Tim<br>
<br>
<br>
On Tue, 2001-12-18 at 16:15, Kris A. Wotipka wrote:
<blockquote>
<pre><FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>true,</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I></FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>these are issues I take for
granted............. maybe I need to add the </FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>disclaimer about reading FCC Part
15............etc, etc, etc. However, </FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>depending on your application, there
are several legal ways to increase you </FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>effectiveness. Again, before you
attempt this, read the legalease........</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I></FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>The ultimate way to increase the
effectiveness of any radio system is to be </FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>able to sweep the area in question to
determine if there is any other </FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>transmitters in the area that could
affect the signal.</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I></FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>The 2.4Ghz band that most wireless
access devices use is also popluated by </FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>cordless phones (home not
cellular/PCS), A/V transmitters (like the Wavecom </FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>Jr's), Other 802.11 devices, some
amature radio, and the ever popular </FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>Microwave oven (while not on the same
frequency, can wreak localized havoc).</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I></FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>Like anything, a good site plan and
research is your best friend when </FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>thinking about shooting wireless.
Height also helps. I have noticed that </FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>most of the 802.11 over distance sites
out there talk about shooting it up to </FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>mountain tops, especially some of the
amature radio stuff, for repeating to </FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>another area.</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I></FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>kw</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I></FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I></FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>On Tuesday 18 December 2001 15:55, you
wrote:</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> There are FCC issues even without
adding external amplifiers. Increasing</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> the gain increases the total power
output off the radio, and anything</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> over 1 watt is prohibited. That's
not to say that you can't get away</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> with it, but it's not something
that you can sell, or even safely</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> recommend to someone. The FCC also
limits configurations of the pre-made</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> stuff too. You can't go putting
the highest amplifier on the highest</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> gain antennas and be legal. This
is also why you'll notice that one</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> vendor's radios don't work with
another's connectors, every</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> configuration has to be
pre-certified before they're allowed to sell it.</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>></FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> -Tim</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>></FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>></FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> On Tue, 2001-12-18 at 14:54, Kris
A. Wotipka wrote:</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>></FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>></FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> We have a couple of WAP 11's
over here in Abbeville...... we played</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> around with them and on the tests
got 300' from an indoor location to an</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> outdoor location. When it came
down to the day of the event, we were lucky</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> for 30' line of
sight.</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>></FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> We have learned alot since
then and have been looking at alternate</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> designs including (pringles can
project, high gain omni's, and recycled</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> Primestar dishes). However, we
have too many trees and too few tall</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> buildings to really test it out
down here.</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>></FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> I build a omni and w/o a
accurate way to test it, all I can say is that</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> it does a bit better than the
factory antennas.</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>></FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> There are also other ways
(amps, etc) but most involve FCC issues and</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> $$$$.......... we are looking
for the most bang for the buck here.</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>></FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> We are currently looking at
maps and sat photos for a 1/2 mile hop here</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> in town. We'll keep you posted if
it works</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>></FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> kw</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>></FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> On Tuesday 18 December 2001
14:18, you wrote:</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> > Theoretically, and with
the right equipment ($), over 20 miles is</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >
attainable.</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> ></FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> > -Tim</FONT></I></FONT
SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> ></FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> ></FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> > On Tue, 2001-12-18 at
13:57, Dustin Puryear wrote:</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> ></FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> ></FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> > What is the range on
that anyway?</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> ></FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> > ---</FONT></I></FONT
SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> > Dustin Puryear
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]></FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> > Information Systems
Consultant</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >
http://members.telocity.com/~dpuryear</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> > In the beginning the
Universe was created.</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> > This has been widely
regarded as a bad move. - Douglas Adams</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> ></FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> > > -----Original
Message-----</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> > > From: [EMAIL
PROTECTED]</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> > > [mailto:[EMAIL
PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kris A. Wotipka</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> > > Sent: Tuesday,
December 18, 2001 1:43 PM</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> > > To: [EMAIL
PROTECTED]</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> > > Subject: Re:
[brluglist] Diagnostics</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> > ></FONT></I></FONT
SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> > ></FONT></I></FONT
SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> > > Since it is made
for a smaller format the ISO is pretty small</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> > > (around 30
MB</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> > > Adam will know
this better). It may not be that painful of a</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> > > down load
for</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> > > the 56K
guys.</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> > ></FONT></I></FONT
SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> > > Is anyone in BR
playing around with 802.11 (wireless</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> > > networking) over
any distance? We have tooled around a bit</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> > > with it here in
Abbeville and would</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> > > like to get more
people interested in some alternative homemade</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> > >
antennas.</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> > > Might help the
56K guys out......</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
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