On Wed, 2002-01-02 at 21:41, Mark Orr wrote:
> On Wed, 02 Jan 2002 19:44:41 -0600
> Chopin Cusachs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Also wonder how well parallel port backup drives would
> > work via printer adapter through USB hub.  How would
> > the speed compare with the present parallel port?
> 
> It wouldnt be much of an upgrade.  With the proper ECP/EPP
> cable, a modern parallel port will do 3-5Mb/sec.  USB has
> a theorhetical throughput of 12Mbps, but in practice it's
> much less than that. (usually 4-8Mb/sec).    
>  

USB2 which is prevalent now is around 100Mbps.

> > $30 is reasonable, it that is all that has to be purchased.
> > I might be interested in a digital camcorder at that price,
> > but since I don't even have a permanent film camera, I
> > won't go over $50 for any kind of camera.
> 
> For an adapter card?  Firewire is starting to be built into
> some newer PC motherboards as a standard device (Apple
> "invented" Firewire, and Macs have had them for some time).
> Firewire cards can be had for as little as $15.   Pricewatch
> turned up many for under $30.
>  
> >  Wonder if
> > there are firewire to parallel converters to permit printing
> > and using parallel port backup devices.
> > 
> > Remember the whole idea is to save money, not to have to
> > buy a whole suite of new devices costing, perhaps as much
> > as $100 each.  How about a USB sound card adapter?
> > That would free up an IRQ.
> 
> I'd advise against it.  Most new motherboards (even dirt cheap
> ones) nowadays have sound built-in.  Even on-board AC97 sound
> is going to work a lot better than USB.

I would advise against USB sound also.... better to move a printer.

> 
> USB is no panacea.   Check Usenet or google groups - it just
> doesnt work that well.   There's boatloads of "USB is crap"
> posts.    USB isnt just a fast serial port  than can hook up
> multiple devices.  Classic DB9 serial ports (RS-232/RS-422) are
> very simple devices with simple routines to control them.  USB
> is more like a network, with complex protocol stacks, and handlers
> for specific "device classes".   More complex usually means less
> robust.

I have not had any problems with USB - even on linux.  Though I have not
used on a large variety of machines.  I just bought a USB2 60 GB drive
at CompUSA for $250 for backup purposes.  Works fine in windows and
linux....

> 
> There are many reports of people who have a USB device working
> fine, but when another is added, neither works, or speed drops
> dramatically.   There are other reports of USB being very CPU
> intensive, or motherboards having bad implementations of it, or
> bad USB BIOS routines.   "one day it works, the next day it doesnt"
> ...i just read on google.
> 
> Various names i've seen it called:  universal s**t bus,
> unstable serial bus,  "Unreliable Stuff, Beware!",
> Unsolicited Single Beep (I guess referring to motherboard
> diagnostic error beeps).
> 
> Many experienced users _dread_ USB devices.  Many would reject
> an ISP if they thought their broadband adapter would be USB based
> (like Bellsouth DSL, i believe).  It just doesnt look to be a
> technology you want to bet the farm on.
> 
> I'm not anti-USB...I'm just saying be wary.    This is what got
> my goat reading the Clickers Ask the Experts group.  Many of those
> that answer questions there (often CCCC BOD members) have this
> religiously-held illusion that technology proceeds in discrete
> steps, and each "generation" is better in every possible way than
> the one before it.    Not only is that usually not the case, it's
> often the exact opposite.    Often the "new way of doing things"
> is demonstrably worse than the old "obsolete" way.
> 
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> Mark Orr
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