Wow, another volunteer! I shoulda started moaning and bitching months ago.
:)

Thanks, Douglas. I'm waiting to hear back from Ricky about the newbie
meeting location. Does Sue Smith read this mailing list?

John Hebert

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Douglas Adams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 3:21 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Clickers wants to start a Linux SIG was RE: 
> [brluglist] Re:
> m eeti ng locations?
> 
> 
> I am in no way a linux expert.  But, I'm willing to use my 
> experiences 
> to help newbies out.  I'm more of an intermediate user I guess.  I've 
> basically discovered how to get my system to do everything I 
> want it to 
> do.  I'm pretty sure that it's not the most efficient ways I 
> find, but I 
> got it working nonetheless.  I love the idea behind Linux and I'm 
> constantly talking to people about it.  I've used my dad as an 
> experiment as a matter of fact.  I'm gonna go out on a limb 
> and say that 
> Linux is as easy to learn as Windows.  It's just hard to make 
> that leap 
> from windows if you're already programmed that way.  My dad has never 
> used a computer in his life.  In a couple of hours, I taught 
> him how to 
> log on, ,access his own e-mail, and surf the web.  He had no 
> problems, 
> that is, after I switched my mouse around because he's left handed.
> 
> So, if I can help in any way, let me know, I'd be more than happy to. 
>  I've only been to the one meeting at Brewbacher's, so I 
> don't know how 
> newbie hour works or anything, but I'm more than willing to show up 
> early and help people out, if possible.
> 
> Cordially,
> Douglas Adams
> 
> John Hebert wrote:
> 
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Dustin Puryear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 12:50 PM
> >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>Subject: RE: Clickers wants to start a Linux SIG was RE: 
> >>[brluglist] Re:
> >>m eeti ng locations?
> >>
> >>
> >>At 12:12 PM 1/17/2002 -0600, you wrote:
> >>
> >>>>I don't see any harm either way to be honest. However, I
> >>>>personally feel that if we have a newbie issue then we 
> >>>>
> >>should address the
> >>
> >>>>problem via the newbie hour
> >>>>
> >>>How? Why? Is Linux going to be used up if there are two 
> >>>
> >>groups in Baton
> >>
> >>>Rouge that are interested in Linux? Are you volunteering to 
> >>>
> >>offer more,
> >>
> >>>Dustin?
> >>>
> >>The Clickers had a Linux SIG before. When I last appeared on 
> >>the Clickers 
> >>radio program I spoke with one of the members. I was 
> >>specifically told that 
> >>their Linux SIG had primarily folded because most of the 
> >>members had joined 
> >>BRLUG and because of lack of participation.
> >>
> >
> >Hmmm, I seem to be having the same problem with people to 
> help me out at the
> >BRLUG Newbie Hour.
> >
> >>Rather than create another Linux SIG at the Clickers why 
> don't we just
> >>
> >regularly invite 
> >
> >>them over the LUG?
> >>
> >
> >Because I am doing the BRLUG Newbie Hour by myself here. 
> Where's the Linux
> >"spirit" for advocacy? I started the BRLUG Newbie Hour as an 
> informal kinda
> >thing where newbies can ask questions, but they want more. Clickers
> >apparently wants to try the Linux SIG idea again and they 
> are asking BRLUG
> >members if they would like to help get it started. I never 
> intended to
> >organize anything more formal or more polished in BRLUG, so 
> I'm happy that
> >Clickers wants to handle that kind of thing. All I have to 
> do is run a Linux
> >petting zoo at SIG meetings.
> >
> >>If the presentations are over their collective heads 
> >>then we can just 
> >>increase the time allotted to newbies. Hey, if you want to 
> >>help create a 
> >>new SIG then go for it. My point is just that I don't think 
> >>it is the best 
> >>solution to the newbie problem.
> >>
> >
> >By "we", you mean me. I don't think your suggested solution will work
> >either, unless you are volunteering to help. I don't feel 
> there has been
> >much interest in providing help for newbies, other than help over the
> >mailing list, which has been good, though there are obvious 
> limitations as
> >opposed to face to face meetings.
> >
> >>Now, if you are doing this strictly because the Clickers want 
> >>a Linux SIG 
> >>then that is another situation. However, to date you have 
> >>been stressing 
> >>that we aren't properly handling newbie issues, which is a 
> >>LUG concern if 
> >>they are LUG newbies. That is what I am replying to.
> >>
> >
> >Again, the "we" reference.
> >
> >>Again, this has been done before at the Clickers. I am not 
> >>saying this 
> >>attempt will fail, I'm just saying that with numbers comes strength.
> >>
> >
> >Apparently it has failed already with the BRLUG, as Clickers 
> members are
> >again asking the Clickers officers to start a Linux SIG. My 
> point is that
> >there is no interest in BRLUG other than my own to help 
> newbies. At least
> >that I know of.
> >
> >>>Um, what? You said earlier: "I don't see any harm either way 
> >>>
> >>to be honest."
> >>
> >>My statements are not contradictory.
> >>
> >>>Do you mean no harm to BRLUG? I really want to know what 
> you mean by
> >>>"spreading the Linux user base a bit thin".
> >>>
> >>I think you are taking this conversation personally.
> >>
> >
> >Bunk. Though you've correctly pointed out in the past where 
> I was taking the
> >discussion personally, this ain't the situation. You still 
> haven't answered
> >my question. What do you mean when you say "spreading the 
> Linux user base a
> >bit thin"? How is this possible? Exactly what is the density 
> of the "Linux
> >user base"?
> >
> >>I've said a few times that if you want to do it then fine. I'm just
> >>
> >putting in my two cents.
> >
> >And all I was asking for was some feedback, which I got.
> >
> >Dustin, I'm not trying to start an argument here. The 
> situation is very
> >simple:
> >
> >Sue Smith would like to start (or try again to start) a Linux SIG.
> >You and Tim say that is redundant effort (whose effort?).
> >I say that I'm the only one volunteering my time to help 
> newbies in person
> >at the BRLUG Newbie Hour and I don't have the time to 
> organize it better.
> >
> >What do you recommend then?
> >
> >John Hebert
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