On Thu, 14 Oct 2004, John Hebert wrote:

> You are just thinking about physical security, not
> legal security. HavenCo is the only datacenter located
> in a sovereign nation that has no legal requirement to
> submit to another nation's subpoena.

No nation has a legal requirement to submit to another nation's subpoena.
What would Iran or N Korea do with a US subpoena?  Probably save it in 
case they ran out of toilet paper, haha...

I have heard this before about Sealand.  IANAL, but the counter is that a
subpoena is issued to a person or entity.  You don't subpoena the
evidence, you subpoena a person to produce the evidence.  If you don't 
comply, you goto jail.  So if you want to keep your data safe and not goto 
jail, you probably want to be a citizen of Sealand, and also incorporate 
your business in Sealand, and possibly never leave Sealand.

> It is more likely that Ashcroft and his ilk will want
> your data than a suicide attack by a 747, even in
> spite of recent history.

And if Ashcroft wanted it, he'd go in and get it.  It'd be a 5 minute job
for a special forces team.  Not that it's right, but i wouldn't say it's 
never happened before and won't happen again.  He'd have problems breaking 
the encryption though....

More than likely they're trying to protect their data from people that
don't have the resources Ashcroft has.

Here is an interesting Slashdot interview with the HavenCo CTO:
http://slashdot.org/interviews/00/07/02/160253.shtml


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