> > The few times I actually had toruble, and called up tech support, they > were quick with the "we don't support Linux" line, but when I clarified > my question and and got them to acknowledge whether or not my connection > was at fault, things went smoothly.
I've found it helpful to "play along" and pretend to be pointing, clicking and rebooting as if I were actually trying to set up a Windows PC. When you get right down to it, the guys answering the phone aren't paid enough to actually understand the technical issues involved. Want proof? Try calling BellSouth tech support ;-) Or Dell :-( Before anyone gets uptight, I worked as a phone tech for Fastband here in New Orleans, right before they went under, and thus feel qualified to have such a low opinion of first-level phone techs. -- Joey Kelly < Minister of the Gospel | Linux Consultant > http://joeykelly.net "I may have invented it, but Bill made it famous." --- David Bradley, the IBM employee that invented CTRL-ALT-DEL -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : /pipermail/general_brlug.net/attachments/20050808/07e793e0/attachment.bin From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Aug 8 10:47:19 2005 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richards Jr, Edward C.) Date: Mon Aug 8 10:47:14 2005 Subject: [brlug-general] Need a good laugh or to get your heart startedthis morning? Then read this: Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -----Original Message----- From: Shannon Roddy [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 10:12 PM To: General@brlug.net Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Need a good laugh or to get your heart startedthis morning? Then read this: On 8/7/05, Andrew Baudouin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just stick with "I hate Windows because it isn't free". That's the only > argument against that actually holds water. I'm sick of this LUG mindlessly > bashing Microsoft instead of promoting its own product. It's a lot like the > Democratic party in that aspect. No, I'll stick with bashing Windows because it is a shitty operating system. JMHO. It has NOTHING to do with Windows not being free. I must concur with Shannon's comment. I started looking at Linux in March of 2002 because I was sick and tired of all of the junk associated with Window$, including viri, trojans, malware, and popups. I was also tired of having to reinstall Window$ every 3 to six months. I also had had it up to my eyeballs with the licensing and authorization scheme. I had, and still have, no problem with PAYING for an alternative as long as it would work. In fact, I currently run version 3 of a commercial Linux distribution that I paid for, even though for having been a beta tester, they gave me a free shrink wrapped boxed set. I wanted to show my support for what they are doing with my hard earned dollars. Most of my Winblows users are currently migrating to Macs BECAUSE THEY WANT TO AND THEY ARE SICK OF WINDOWS. Most of these are non-savy, non-techy users and if they see that windows is a POS then I believe that many others in the general population agree, but just don't see the alternatives or are not motivated to move off of M$. They just stick with the shitty status quo, just because that is "what everyone else is doing". Unfortunately, I think that many, if not most, are not aware that there is another alternative to Window$ besides the Mac, not that it is not a fine hardware platform and/or a good OS, but many have so many dollars invested in X86 hardware that they don't want to throw away, and they are also of the mistaken belief that Linux is hard to install, configure and use and is only really viable for computer experts or, in the mind of the Window$ user, computer geek, and most of them are not that at all, but are ordinary users that are doing their taxes, writing their blogs, e-mailing their friends and family, browsing the web, watching movies, listening to music, watching TV, listening to the radio, maintaining their check book, etc. Each and every one of these tasks can easily be accomplished on most existing X86 hardware platforms with most any of the modern desktop Linux distributions without any extensive computer expertise or special tweaking and configuration. Those of us th! at are using Linux on the desktop just need to get the word out there and help educate the general Window$ populace. Just my thoughts, Ed PS: I figured that that article would raise some folks blood pressure, but I had no idea it would create such a furry. _______________________________________________ General mailing list General@brlug.net http://brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net This email, including any attached files, may contain confidential and privileged information. Any review, use, distribution or disclosure of included information by unintended recipients is strictly prohibited. If you are not a named recipient or authorized to receive and / or act on information sent to a named recipient, or have reason to believe you are not or should not be one of the named recipients, please notify sender accordingly by reply email and delete all copies of this message prior to forwarding, copying or otherwise reproducing this message or attachments thereto. For information regarding the export control status of items discussed in this document, please refer to the project control list. Thank you. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/general_brlug.net/attachments/20050808/044c4fcc/attachment.htm From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Aug 8 11:45:49 2005 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eric G Ortego) Date: Mon Aug 8 11:46:26 2005 Subject: [brlug-general] Regards to Is it wrong to love windows? In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> What? On 8/5/05, Jory A. Pratt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > You sure did do no research on this. If you knew anything about virus's > most of them are created on windows. Every virus I have torn apart to > create an anti virus for come from nt workstations lately. Also the > kernel is about supporting just your hardware it is what makes our > community enjoy stablity of their machines not just security that > windows does not offer at all. > > Also if you have to bad mouth an Operating System with the term linux > shows me you do not even know what linux is; I will tell you what linux > is, it is a kernel gnu/linux is the operating system. > > As to your windows comments on people buy windows ... I believe you > ment to say windows has been shoved down the throats of so many users > that is all they know. Also if windows and its applications are so GREAT > why are they the number one pirated piece of application on the internet > with a close running for movies and music? > > All I can say is you really need to get your facts together. Return > your check to microsoft do some research then correct your article you > make me sick and I am sure you make most of the linux community sick. As > far as cooltechzone goes I am sure you all run a linux/bsd machine HA HA > HA your webserver is listed as one and you sit here and badmouth such an > operating system. > > Sincerly, > Anarchy > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFC8474GDfjNg8unQIRAkwWAJ45Aqy+rFvpBkbHrpo2OXgJd7dQCQCgp/GJ > QT1HluJhixq47DNNvgjKOFI= > =kgVU > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > General@brlug.net > http://brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/general_brlug.net/attachments/20050808/e67b1551/attachment.htm From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Aug 8 12:38:15 2005 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eric G Ortego) Date: Mon Aug 8 12:38:14 2005 Subject: [brlug-general] Need a good laugh or to get your heart startedthis morning? Then read this: In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I expected the article to make me laugh instead this thread did. Thanks! Just FYI for this thread, my slowest machine is a P1 200mhz it doesn't run a desktop but it makes a spiffy virus free file server, and my main machine is an 800mhz which runs my desktop(enlightenment with animated backgrounds and all) Just fine IMO. I won't compare the performance with any windows version because windows has never been on either. But I have purchased several versions of windows in the past therefore I consider myself a customer as such I have a right to bash the product which I've invested in. Crap. Pure Crap. I was excited about windows 3.1 and the $25 call to microsoft techsupport to get windows 95 installed on the p133 was worth it at the time. But once It joined the internet I realized it was crap, pure crap. And not only would I have to pay to get the maker to support their own product should something unexpected happen but I would have to pay a subscription for another product to keep my original working. Wow what integrity! I would love to love microsoft products but they tend to help the demise of my data and time. To hell with rebooting, viruses, mal||spy||ad-ware, spam and windows(3.1,95,NT,98,98se,ME,2k,XP). "Lets be fair and honest about this. Here is a company that single handedly created the market for Personal Computers, brought computing to ordinary folks like you and me, made it affordable by encouraging mass acceptance and constantly strives to provide us ease of use in every sphere it touches." What is this guy blabbering about? I think it is absurd, IBM not microsoft brought computing to ordinary folks. I can distinctly remember when everyone who I knew started getting PC's most of which were running DOS. Admittedly some had MS-DOS I can remember wondering why would microsoft had, aparent to me, re-branded everything in the PC(DOS became MS-DOS, basic became msbasic). Marketing sheesh.... "It is about time we stopped being hypocritical and appreciated a job really well done" I couldn't agree more! Thank you W3G, IEEE, Apple, Google, Linus, and FOSS! On 8/8/05, Richards Jr, Edward C. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shannon Roddy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] > Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 10:12 PM > To: General@brlug.net > Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Need a good laugh or to get your heart > startedthis morning? Then read this: > > > On 8/7/05, Andrew Baudouin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Just stick with "I hate Windows because it isn't free". That's the only > > argument against that actually holds water. I'm sick of this LUG > mindlessly > > bashing Microsoft instead of promoting its own product. It's a lot like > the > > Democratic party in that aspect. > > > No, I'll stick with bashing Windows because it is a shitty operating > system. JMHO. It has NOTHING to do with Windows not being free. > > I must concur with Shannon's comment. I started looking at Linux in March > of 2002 because I was sick and tired of all of the junk associated with > Window$, including viri, trojans, malware, and popups. I was also tired of > having to reinstall Window$ every 3 to six months. I also had had it up to > my eyeballs with the licensing and authorization scheme. I had, and still > have, no problem with PAYING for an alternative as long as it would work. In > fact, I currently run version 3 of a commercial Linux distribution that I > paid for, even though for having been a beta tester, they gave me a free > shrink wrapped boxed set. I wanted to show my support for what they are > doing with my hard earned dollars. > Most of my Winblows users are currently migrating to Macs BECAUSE THEY > WANT TO AND THEY ARE SICK OF WINDOWS. Most of these are non-savy, > non-techy users and if they see that windows is a POS then I believe > that many others in the general population agree, but just don't see > the alternatives or are not motivated to move off of M$. They just > stick with the shitty status quo, just because that is "what everyone > else is doing". > Unfortunately, I think that many, if not most, are not aware that there > is another alternative to Window$ besides the Mac, not that it is not a fine > hardware platform and/or a good OS, but many have so many dollars invested > in X86 hardware that they don't want to throw away, and they are also of the > mistaken belief that Linux is hard to install, configure and use and is only > really viable for computer experts or, in the mind of the Window$ user, > computer geek, and most of them are not that at all, but are ordinary users > that are doing their taxes, writing their blogs, e-mailing their friends and > family, browsing the web, watching movies, listening to music, watching TV, > listening to the radio, maintaining their check book, etc. Each and every > one of these tasks can easily be accomplished on most existing X86 hardware > platforms with most any of the modern desktop Linux distributions without > any extensive computer expertise or special tweaking and configuration. > Those of us that are using Linux on the desktop just need to get the word > out there and help educate the general Window$ populace. > Just my thoughts, > Ed > PS: I figured that that article would raise some folks blood pressure, > but I had no idea it would create such a furry. > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > General@brlug.net > http://brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > > ------------------------------ > This email, including any attached files, may contain confidential and > privileged information. 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URL: /pipermail/general_brlug.net/attachments/20050808/e22b5044/attachment.htm From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Aug 8 16:33:24 2005 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christian Tortorich) Date: Mon Aug 8 16:33:56 2005 Subject: [brlug-general] Need a good laugh or to get your heart startedthis morning? Then read this: Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> microshit? Thats just... how old are you? -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Jory A. Pratt Sent: Fri 8/5/2005 10:41 AM To: General@brlug.net Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Need a good laugh or to get your heart startedthis morning? Then read this: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Richards Jr, Edward C. wrote: > http://www.cooltechzone.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=1645 > > I wonder how much Sweet Ole Bill paid him or her to write this? > > Ed > > > > This email, including any attached files, may contain confidential and > privileged information. Any review, use, distribution or disclosure of > included information by unintended recipients is strictly prohibited. If you > are not a named recipient or authorized to receive and / or act on > information sent to a named recipient, or have reason to believe you are not > or should not be one of the named recipients, please notify sender > accordingly by reply email and delete all copies of this message prior to > forwarding, copying or otherwise reproducing this message or attachments > thereto. For information regarding the export control status of items > discussed in this document, please refer to the project control list. Thank > you. > > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > General@brlug.net > http://brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > What it all comes down to is the user could not figure out linux, could not understand what they were reading, and/or are complete retards who have sold their sold to microshit. I personally find it appauling and will contact the CEO of cooltech. Linux had a good relation with cooltech but after reading that i am sure the wheels of time will turn back and windows will be slammed even harder by the linux guru's like myself. I personally say the idiot does not understand open source and an operating system that is not written in visual basic :) come on we all know microshit is visual basic with a c++ kernel why you think you need a 3GHz system just to run the piece of shit? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFC84iPGDfjNg8unQIRAsPfAJ91rLJOKGjO+lK0cKaqDnbSNYFCWQCeNP3J bXu4A2Ia5OhQbf+NMS/zKvA= =UyUr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ General mailing list General@brlug.net http://brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Then read this: On 8/7/05, Andrew Baudouin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just stick with "I hate Windows because it isn't free". That's the only > argument against that actually holds water. I'm sick of this LUG mindlessly > bashing Microsoft instead of promoting its own product. It's a lot like the > Democratic party in that aspect. No, I'll stick with bashing Windows because it is a shitty operating system. JMHO. It has NOTHING to do with Windows not being free. When I started running Linux in '95 it was because I wanted to learn about UNIX and I wanted to be able to do software developement without VB & Visual Studio. There are more reasons than I care to list right now why I have stuck with Linux. Most of my Winblows users are currently migrating to Macs BECAUSE THEY WANT TO AND THEY ARE SICK OF WINDOWS. Most of these are non-savy, non-techy users and if they see that windows is a POS then I believe that many others in the general population agree, but just don't see the alternatives or are not motivated to move off of M$. They just stick with the shitty status quo, just because that is "what everyone else is doing". Note here that my users are moving from a non-free OS to a non-free OS simply because Windows sucks WITH NO MOTIVATION FROM ME. They are coming in droves to ask for an alternative. So that blows your argument about it being the only argument that holds water. _______________________________________________ General mailing list General@brlug.net http://brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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