== Report of Meeting 2023-11-30 == Present: Ed Gottsman, Raul Miller, Raghu Ranganathan and Bob Therriault
Full transcripts of this meeting are now available on the its wiki page. https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/Wiki/Report_of_Meeting_2023-11-30 1) Bob welcomed Raghu to the meeting and Ed followed up with the J Viewer update and has been receiving positive reaction to the release of the app. Ed added the requirement of J9.4 to the wiki page. https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/J_Viewer Ed has added color coding to the buttons and it does not seem to look as good on night shift mode. Raul suggested making a change to the background of buttons. Ed has been given pdf's of all of Skip Cave's Quora links which can be converted to html. This gives Ed access to partial answers for indexing. Raul suggested using the web view in JQt as a scraper which might have an injection that would allow the full text to be accessible. Bob wondered if the HTML version might be incorporated into the wiki and Ed provided the link to Skip's pdf. Ed had hoped to make a presentation to the British APL Association, but an opportunity did not come up in the most recent meeting. Rosetta Code is now included for the J solutions for searching. 2) Bob showed the Newcomers pages that he has been working on to display the Essays most useful to Newcomers https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/Category:Newcomers_N. The page will include one line descriptions of the different Essays to give a peek into the content for the user. 3) A discussion of Skip's Quora solutions and how they might be categorized. The feeling was that they are all good for newcomers, but are explicit. The feeling was that for beginners that is often good thing. Then a further discussion on tacit versus explicit and our representation of our programs. 4) Bob started a discussion on how the J AWS might be brought into the wiki through using the J AWS to show the Wiki page as in one of the frame demos in the JHS framework. A challenge would be screen real estate. On this topic there is only one MediaWiki skin that is responsive and that may be the format that we need to go to expect phones to be used with the wiki. 5) Bob showed the progress that he had made on the Home https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/Category:Home and Newcomers pages with the Category tree exposed. The feeling was that opening up the Category tree navigation as deep as possible would be preferred. The Category tree becomes a textual version of the icon images used in the coloured boxes. 6) Bob asked Raghu (who maintains the k wiki https://k.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page ) about the more visual approach. Raghu thought that the colourful version is good for beginners and he finds it refreshing. In the case of the k wiki, it has been kept simple because of the resources required to maintain it. Bob feels that that is a good argument for any wiki in keeping content up to date. Ed talked about a group of server side people who preferred simple interfaces that they could find with grep tools. A philosophical discussion followed about expertise and the preference for text. ChatGPT was proposed as something that might change this approach for newcomers. J Phrases or Adám Brudzewski's APLCart https://aplwiki.com/wiki/APLcart might be a good target for ChatGPT. For access to previous meeting reports https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/Wiki_Development If you would like to participate in the development of the J wiki please contact us on the general forum and we will get you an invitation to the next J wiki meeting held on Thursdays at 23:00 (UTC) Next meeting is December 7, 2023. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
