On 14 Jun 2004, at 12:02, Michael Wechner wrote:
Steven Noels wrote:
Lenya has an awkward history IMHO. It has been force-fed into the bowls of the ASF upon the idea that a community was more important than code, and because of pet-peeves of people: the ASF needed a CMS project, and Lenya would be a community seed for that - regardless of the community aptness to serve as one. The original Lenya folks were clueless about the Apache Open Source Way, but felt so much "invited" into the ASF that they figured they were doing a good job. The original number of committers was bloated, and their communication about the incubation status of Lenya was tendencious at best. Wyona didn't do a great job at opening up the project to the outside world (other than dumping code into public CVS), and there wasn't much direction or shared project ownership.
well, I think it was and is quite different, but it doesn't make sense to argue about perceptions.
Of course not, and I hope I've been careful enough to talk only from my own private perception - something I can and will not change even if I know the people behind the voices on the mailing lists. And as you acknowledge, I have seen plenty of change during the recent months, something I am very happy about.
I am very optimistic on this, but I guess you know that ;-)
I am happy to see you happy. :-)
</Steven> -- Steven Noels http://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source Java & XML An Orixo Member Read my weblog at http://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/ stevenn at outerthought.org stevenn at apache.org
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