On 11/10/06, Garrett Rooney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 11/10/06, Sam Ruby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There seems to be a persistent delusion that [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> is where incubation happens.  The reality is that all the real
> incubating happens on the PPMC private and dev lists.
>
> We can correct this in one of two ways: recognize what actually is
> happening, or make what we say is happening actually work.
>
> If we go the first route, then we should treat this list as an
> announcements list.  Results of votes for releases and graduation are
> posted here, and incubator PMC members will be given 72 hours to raise
> an issue.

That's how I treat it - if I can get enough PMC votes without having
to call a vote here.

> If we go the second route, then we need to set the expectation that most
> PMC members participate in most votes.

I think it's unrealistic to expect that the majority of the members of
the incubator PMC will be involved in most votes.  I mean heck, I've
rarely seen the majority of PMC members of any project be involved in
ANY release vote, let alone in a situation like the incubator where
many PMC members have little personal interest in the majority of the
releases.

Yup - the Incubator is not a community. It'll always be a community of
communities like the ASF.

Honestly though, if podlings are having trouble getting people on the
PMC to review and vote on their releases I wonder if that says
something in and of itself.

Usually that they predate the realisation that a podling needs 3
mentors to not have this problem.

Hen

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