On Thu, 2008-10-02 at 10:49 +0200, Martijn Dashorst wrote: > Though I'm not in favor of dropping the community requirements for > graduation, I must disagree with the following, based on our license: > > On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 1:32 AM, Upayavira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > We are not yet confident that there will be a community actively > > developing that code, so we cannot vouch for its ongoing development or > > support. If you use the code, you use it at your own risk - that is, you > > may well find yourself having to maintain the code base yourself. > > 7. Disclaimer of Warranty. Unless required by applicable law or agreed > to in writing, Licensor provides the Work (and each Contributor > provides its Contributions) on an "AS IS" BASIS, WITHOUT WARRANTIES OR > CONDITIONS OF ANY KIND, either express or implied, including, without > limitation, any warranties or conditions of TITLE, NON-INFRINGEMENT, > MERCHANTABILITY, or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. You are solely > responsible for determining the appropriateness of using or > redistributing the Work and assume any risks associated with Your > exercise of permissions under this License. > > There are no warrantees when using Apache software. While we strive to > provide support and keep communities alive, there are no guarantees > that projects will be around after a (couple of) years(s). There are > several top level projects that have dissolved (because of internal > turmoil or lack of an active community), or are about to go that > route.
That licence applies to those bits - that tarball. What we're talking about here is something more ephemeral: a community. I was going to say that what we need is a clearer statement about this, but I found this disclaimer here [1]: "Apache "Podling-Name" is an effort undergoing incubation at The Apache Software Foundation (ASF), sponsored by the name of sponsor. Incubation is required of all newly accepted projects until a further review indicates that the infrastructure, communications, and decision making process have stabilized in a manner consistent with other successful ASF projects. While incubation status is not necessarily a reflection of the completeness or stability of the code, it does indicate that the project has yet to be fully endorsed by the ASF." Actually that does a reasonable job. It is the 'project' that has yet to be endorsed, not the code. When you endorse code, you say that it is legally correct. When you endorse a project, you say that you believe the community to be sufficiently strong to live on for a reasonable time. These are completely different statements, and the former could be made about a release by a brand new podling with committers from just one employer. Upayavira [1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
