On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:24 PM, Justin Erenkrantz <jus...@erenkrantz.com> wrote: > On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Leo Simons <m...@leosimons.com> wrote: >> Also, to be clear, as an IPMC member I spend quite a bit of time with >> projects where I am not a mentor, casting (binding) votes on things >> like their releases. I will continue to do that, inline with procedure >> and policy and common sense. I'm pretty sure you're not really meaning >> to question that :) > > This is where I think the Incubator has gone awry: the claim that you > are an IPMC member implies that you have merit on a project (in the > form of a binding vote) is false.
Not merit, just "binding vote". I agree that it sucks, but it is not something where the incubator has "gone awry", it has _always_ been messed up like this. Here's what I understand: 1) Apache rule: all apache releases must be made by PMCs 2) Apache rule: a release needs at least 3 binding +1s and more +1s than -1s 3) from #1 and #2 it follows that all incubator releases must be made by the incubator PMC 4) a lot of incubating projects have difficulty getting enough +1s, or even any qualified help sorting out releases 5) from #3 and #4 it follows that a lot of incubating projects get stuck 6) since #5 sucks rather badly, I and many others try and fill this gap so projects can do some releases, attract some attention, gain critical mass, and get out of here 7) we have further optimized by making the incubator PMC very very large and by making it really easy (for ASF members) to get on the incubator PMC, creating a large pool of potential voters. If you see a way to fix this mess, please do. I suspect rule #1 is the whopper that is just quite hard to get around and from it follows a lot of other mess. I don't know exactly where that rule comes from, but it is very old and it has always seemed very solid, too. IANAL. ciao, Leo --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
