----- Original Message ----
> From: ant elder <antel...@apache.org>
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Sent: Fri, December 11, 2009 5:22:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Validation incubator for JSR-303 Bean Validation
>
> On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Niall Pemberton
> wrote:
> > On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 7:56 AM, ant elder wrote:
> >> A quick search so there has been some discussion on commons-dev - [1]
> >>
> >> Does this really need to be incubated - the proposal says its intended
> >> to graduate to Apache Commons and replace the existing Validator 1.x
> >> component as a new 2.0 codebase, from the discussion on commons-dev
> >> everyone seems fine with that out come, and only 2 of the 7 proposed
> >> committers are not existing Validator or ASF committers - so couldn't
> >> this just go straight to commons as a code grant and make the two new
> >> guys committers in recognition of contibuting the new code?
> >
> > I raised this on priv...@commons and reported back to d...@commons on
> > that discussion here:
> >
> > http://markmail.org/message/lkyjl6gaxawspgdt
> >
> > In summary though, there was very little support to go that route and
> > some objections.
> >
> > All commons components share the same set of mailing lists which makes
> > it easier for PMC members to provide oversight for the 30+ components
> > that live there. As part of this proposal we want to use the commons
> > mailing lists for commits and discussion so that by the time this
> > podling is ready to graduate the new committers and Commons PMC will
> > have a better knowledge of each other and there will be no issue with
> > voting in the new committers.
> >
> > The use of the commons mailing lists is in the proposal and was part
> > of the vote held on d...@commons to sponsor this incubation effort:
> >
> > http://markmail.org/message/mqdft736b5vasezs
> >
> > Niall
> >
>
> From the first email referenced was Roman ever asked if he'd mind
> submitting patches for a while to earn Karma if the code did go
> straight to commons? Seems a bit a of a shame to need to go the whole
> incubation process just for one commit access.
>
> Re the the poddling use the existing commons mailing lists its may be
> worth pointing out this recent thread:
> http://apache.markmail.org/message/ifinvq7wqmeoo5ix
Commons is badly busted if it can't allow a new person access to his/her
own code in a fucking sandbox. Incubating this project because some weenies are
uncomfortable about the nature of the meritocracy over in commons isn't the
solution:
have commons hold a public vote and make an actual decision. If they vote to
incubate the damned thing, it's an incredibly stupid decision, but so be it.
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