Shane actually wrote that page but I still hate the exclusionary draft label he 
picked up from rbd.

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On Dec 19, 2012, at 11:52 PM, Joe Schaefer <joe_schae...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> That's the whole problem with Robert's labels, they scare people away from 
> working on the document while simultaneously pretend that there is some 
> supercommittee who will determine when one of his drafts is no longer a draft.
> 
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> On Dec 19, 2012, at 11:47 PM, Christian Grobmeier <grobme...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 5:44 AM, Joe Schaefer <joe_schae...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> That's just RBD's signature boilerplate for a document he likely started.  
>>> Feel free to remove it if you think it detracts from the document.
>>> 
>> 
>> I leave the labeling of a document to the people who worked on it
>> 
>> 
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>>> On Dec 19, 2012, at 11:40 PM, Christian Grobmeier <grobme...@gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 11:43 PM, Daniel Shahaf <d...@daniel.shahaf.name> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Ross Gardler wrote on Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 22:13:17 +0000:
>>>>>> Christian, you can review any podling I'm a mentor on, including AOO, to
>>>>>> see discussion of both models. I'm sure many other projects have 
>>>>>> discussed
>>>>>> this too.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The page you refer to is correct, there are two separate roles as
>>>>>> recognised by the foundation.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You do have a point that things can be documented more clearly, they 
>>>>>> always
>>>>>> can be, but I don't think the how it works page is at fault. That page
>>>>>> doesn't describe how someone gets those roles, it merely defines the 
>>>>>> roles
>>>>>> the foundation recognises.
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/governance/pmcs#merit describes both
>>>>> modes of operation.
>>>> 
>>>> Didn't know about that document, but its good.
>>>> 
>>>> Unfortunately: "This document is a DRAFT and should not be considered
>>>> as a normative or detailed explanation at the current time."
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