On 30 Nov 2013, at 2:16, Marvin Humphrey wrote:
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Upayavira <u...@odoko.co.uk> wrote:
If a podling has been in the incubator for some years, but is
struggling
to reach critical mass, is there any reason not to just let the
podling
be?
If the mentors stick to the project there is only little problem (I
think).
On the other hand we should avoid to become some kind of scm hoster.
The incubator has a specific goal and if project enters I believe it
should
work to reach these goals.
If the goals are not reached like in the case you might have in mind,
i believe we need to ask: why? Are you on the right place?
Sometimes such questions bring up a few problems, sometimes not.
Just for the record, I have no problem this project stays longer. But I
will continue
asking if there is life in the podling if there is no progress in
future.
Hope my recent emails didn't read like that I absolutely want to throw
them out. Its not like that.
Thanks!
Christian
We talked this subject through in November 2011, under the heading
"Actively
retiring projects":
http://markmail.org/message/4cagxwofrsmkmsek
The biggest change we made in the wake of that discussion was to
graduate
small but stable communities more aggressively. Isis was one[1].
VXQuery,
with 4-5 active PPMC members, is likely to graduate under similar
criteria.
Another change which has happened gradually over the last few years is
that we
have cast aside the stigma associated with leaving the Incubator.
Vestiges of
a less tolerant mentality from the early days persist in our policy
page[2]:
http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Termination+of+a+Podling
Termination of a Podling
If you receive a recommendation for termination then you have a
problem.
I have always thought that shaming projects which don't complete
incubation
was unjust, bad policy, and unbecoming of a volunteer-driven public
charity.
Now that we have softened our attitudes, recognizing that all software
products have a lifecycle and emphasizing "retirement" over
"termination", the
Incubator has become more self-cleaning.
Back in 2011, the Incubator had a significant problem with
accumulating
stalled podlings. Today, we have more room to consider podlings in
difficult
circumstances on a case-by-case basis.
Marvin Humphrey
[1] http://markmail.org/message/3aiwjgocoqeojeop
[2] One of these days I'm going to call a VOTE on changing that
language.
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