Joe, Thanks for your cordial tone and to the point email. Thinking about it, I agree with you. We'll start a new VOTE in a day or so to clean up the resolution per Matei's updates and the typo fix caught by Sebb.
Cheers, Chris -----Original Message----- From: Joseph Schaefer <joe_schae...@yahoo.com> Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org> Date: Sunday, February 9, 2014 5:29 PM To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Spark from the Incubator >Chris no offense but all we can do is vote on what you put in front of >us. As soon as you realized that that document was a mess the vote >should have been cancelled. Right now you have no clear picture of what >each vote *means* because the thing we are supposed to be approving is in >flux. Right now you have people voting on the subject on moral grounds, >eg whether the project deserves to graduate, all mixed in with votes cast >on technical objective grounds. The only way to fix this is with a fresh >start IMO. > >Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 9, 2014, at 8:19 PM, "Mattmann, Chris A (3980)" >><chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: >> >> Hi Sebb, >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: sebb <seb...@gmail.com> >> Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org> >> Date: Sunday, February 9, 2014 4:39 PM >> To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org> >> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Spark from the Incubator >> >>> On 9 February 2014 17:11, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) >>> <chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: >>>> Thanks Matei and sebb. >>>> >>>> Starting a new thread and collecting the VOTEs all over again would be >>>> time consuming. >>> >>> So? >> >> I don't appreciate this tone -- what do you mean "so"? >> >>> >>> Better to than being confusing, as the current thread has become. >> >> The thread's not confusing to me at all -- The diligence to update >> the resolution to the specific Apache IDs has been performed by Matei, >> so that work is done. I'll make the typo fix in the pasted board >> resolution, >> so that will be done too. >> >>> >>> Also it may not be clear whether new votes are intended for the update >>> resolution or the old one. >>> >>> Do the original votes even count for the amended resolution? >> >> Actually it's quite clear to me and to those who VOTEd, some multiple >> times. >> If folks have an issue as I mentioned, I've left the VOTE open for >>quite a >> long >> bit of time and am closing it tomorrow. That's plenty of time for folks >>to >> amend >> their VOTE should they have wanted to. >> >> Cheers, >> Chris >> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: sebb <seb...@gmail.com> >>>> Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" >>>><general@incubator.apache.org> >>>> Date: Sunday, February 9, 2014 7:10 AM >>>> To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org> >>>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Spark from the Incubator >>>> >>>>> I think it would be better to start a new thread with the updated >>>>>text. >>>>> >>>>> Also, the two scope descriptions are slightly different: >>>>> >>>>> "related to fast and flexible large-scale data analysis >>>>> on clusters." >>>>> >>>>> v. >>>>> >>>>> "related to efficient cluster management, resource isolation >>>>> and sharing across distributed applications" >>>>> >>>>> I don't know whether that is important or not. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 8 February 2014 22:46, Matei Zaharia <matei.zaha...@gmail.com> >>>>>>wrote: >>>>>> Thanks everyone for the votes. Since we now have accounts for >>>>>> everyone, >>>>>> I've updated the committer list below to include ASF IDs. Thanks to >>>>>> INFRA, we also now have both pull request postings and comments on >>>>>>them >>>>>> forwarded to the our mailing list. >>>>>> >>>>>> ---- snip >>>>>> >>>>>> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best >>>>>> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the >>>>>> Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management >>>>>> Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of >>>>>> open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the >>>>>> public, related to fast and flexible large-scale data analysis >>>>>> on clusters. >>>>>> >>>>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management >>>>>> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Spark Project", be >>>>>> and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; >>>>>> and be it further >>>>>> >>>>>> RESOLVED, that the Apache Spark Project be and hereby is >>>>>> responsible for the creation and maintenance of software >>>>>> related to efficient cluster management, resource isolation >>>>>> and sharing across distributed applications; and be it further >>>>>> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Spark" be >>>>>> and hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve >>>>>> at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair of the >>>>>> Apache Spark Project, and to have primary responsibility for >>>>>> management of the projects within the scope of responsibility >>>>>> of the Apache Spark Project; and be it further >>>>>> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and >>>>>> hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the >>>>>> Apache Spark Project: >>>>>> >>>>>> * Mosharaf Chowdhury <mosha...@apache.org> >>>>>> * Jason Dai <jason...@apache.org> >>>>>> * Tathagata Das <t...@apache.org> >>>>>> * Ankur Dave <ankurd...@apache.org> >>>>>> * Aaron Davidson <a...@apache.org> >>>>>> * Thomas Dudziak <to...@apache.org> >>>>>> * Robert Evans <bo...@apache.org> >>>>>> * Thomas Graves <tgra...@apache.org> >>>>>> * Andy Konwinski <and...@apache.org> >>>>>> * Stephen Haberman <steph...@apache.org> >>>>>> * Mark Hamstra <markhams...@apache.org> >>>>>> * Shane Huang <shane_hu...@apache.org> >>>>>> * Ryan LeCompte <ryanlecom...@apache.org> >>>>>> * Haoyuan Li <haoy...@apache.org> >>>>>> * Sean McNamara <mcnam...@apache.org> >>>>>> * Mridul Muralidharam <mridul...@apache.org> >>>>>> * Kay Ousterhout <kayousterh...@apache.org> >>>>>> * Nick Pentreath <mln...@apache.org> >>>>>> * Imran Rashid <iras...@apache.org> >>>>>> * Charles Reiss <wog...@apache.org> >>>>>> * Josh Rosen <joshro...@apache.org> >>>>>> * Prashant Sharma <prash...@apache.org> >>>>>> * Ram Sriharsha <har...@apache.org> >>>>>> * Shivaram Venkataraman <shiva...@apache.org> >>>>>> * Patrick Wendell <pwend...@apache.org> >>>>>> * Andrew Xia <xiajunl...@apache.org> >>>>>> * Reynold Xin <r...@apache.org> >>>>>> * Matei Zaharia <ma...@apache.org> >>>>>> >>>>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Matei Zaharia be >>>>>> appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache Spark, to >>>>>> serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the >>>>>> Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until >>>>>> death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification, or >>>>>> until a successor is appointed; and be it further >>>>>> >>>>>> RESOLVED, that the Apache Spark Project be and hereby is >>>>>> tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache >>>>>> Incubator Spark podling; and be it further >>>>>> >>>>>> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache >>>>>> Incubator Spark podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator >>>>>> Project are hereafter discharged. >>>>>> >>>>>> ---- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2014, at 9:02 AM, David Nalley <da...@gnsa.us> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ted and Henry: Thanks for the thoughtful replies and indulging my >>>>>>> concerns. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> +1 (binding) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --David >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:33 AM, Henry Saputra >>>>>>> <henry.sapu...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> HI David Nalley, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you for your comment and concern, really appreciate it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As Patrick had mentioned in his reply, this is not a persistent >>>>>>>> problem. >>>>>>>> The reminder I sent was about particular topic which could be >>>>>>>> interpreted as design or roadmap topic rather than review for a >>>>>>>> patch. >>>>>>>> Rather than reminding an individual or two involved in the >>>>>>>> discussion, >>>>>>>> I decided to send email to dev@ list to show by example the open >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> transparent discussions the ASF way. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hope this gives some more clarification about the state of the >>>>>>>> podling >>>>>>>> embracing the ASF way. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - Henry >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 9:19 PM, Patrick Wendell >>>>>>>><pwend...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hey All - chiming in as an active Spark committer. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The part that disturbs me is that after the vote passed in the >>>>>>>>>> community, and came to the IPMC a mentor is still having to >>>>>>>>>>remind >>>>>>>>>> folks that things like strategy and roadmap discussions need to >>>>>>>>>> happen >>>>>>>>>> on the mailing list. That's a pretty foundational concept in my >>>>>>>>>> mind >>>>>>>>>> for an Apache project. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Henry gave a reminder on the mailing list not because it's a >>>>>>>>> persistent problem but because it never explicitly came up prior >>>>>>>>>to >>>>>>>>> this. We use github for review comments and in one case this week >>>>>>>>> there was a brief discussion that could be interpreted as >>>>>>>>>roadmap - >>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>> Henry just gave a reminder not to do that. I can't imagine why >>>>>>>>>any >>>>>>>>> project would *want* to use github review comments for long term >>>>>>>>> roadmap discussion... it's a terrible medium for that anyways! We >>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>> a very active developer list and that is where these discussions >>>>>>>>> take >>>>>>>>> place. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The missing account issues are somewhat troubling, but also not >>>>>>>>>> really >>>>>>>>>> within the purview of the podling to fix either; though I find >>>>>>>>>>it >>>>>>>>>> odd >>>>>>>>>> that people committed to the podling (and many initial >>>>>>>>>>committers) >>>>>>>>>> haven't asked for their Apache account or needed to use it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This is because those people have still contributed a lot of code >>>>>>>>> via >>>>>>>>> other commiters who merge so it's not an immediate urgency. For >>>>>>>>> perspective I am a committer on two other ASF projects but I've >>>>>>>>> never >>>>>>>>> personally committed code to either - I do it through the more >>>>>>>>> active >>>>>>>>> committers who basically spend all their time merging patches. A >>>>>>>>> few >>>>>>>>> of the initial commiters are not currently active on the project; >>>>>>>>> they've made major contributions over the last few years of >>>>>>>>> development and are committers in recognition of those >>>>>>>>> contributions >>>>>>>>> (see above). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Popping up a level. We are happy to have github discussions >>>>>>>>>forward >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> either our dev- list or a reviews- list or something like that (I >>>>>>>>> beleive Matei is setting that up now). If IPCM folks want to >>>>>>>>>debate >>>>>>>>> whether we should *have* to do that, it seems sensible to fork a >>>>>>>>> thread and discuss elsewhere. If IPMC folks want to debate >>>>>>>>>whether >>>>>>>>> github should be allowed at all, I also think it's better >>>>>>>>>discussed >>>>>>>>> outside of this graduation thread. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>-- >>>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: >>>>>>>>>general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>-- >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>-------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>- >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
