Touché :) On Friday, July 25, 2014, Tim Williams <william...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 12:33 PM, Henry Saputra <henry.sapu...@gmail.com > <javascript:;>> wrote: > > This is conflicting from what the site said about governance of podling. > > PPMC is a part of podling and responsible to manage the podling on behalf > > of IPMC. > > > > I suppose you meant that their votes do not bind but saying it was never > > part of the structure is misleading or we need to update the ASF website > > about incubator roles page. > > The conflicting bit is how you two are resolving the pronoun "our" in > Ross' statement below.... the PPMC is not a formal part of the ASF's > formal structure.... the PPMC is a formal part of the IPMC's internal > organization. > > --tim > > > On Friday, July 25, 2014, Ross Gardler <rgard...@opendirective.com > <javascript:;>> wrote: > > > >> The PPMC is not, and never has been, a formally recognized part of our > >> structure. But as I said that's a technicality in this context, the > project > >> (PPMC) are the people who really matter from the projects perspective, > even > >> though their votes are not binding. > >> > >> The thread seems to be in agreement in response to Justin's specific > >> question. > >> > >> On 25 Jul 2014 01:20, "John D. Ament" <john.d.am...@gmail.com > <javascript:;> > >> <javascript:;>> wrote: > >> > > >> > Ross, > >> > > >> > The incubator website would be inclined to disagree, and seems to > >> > acknowledge there is formally a PPMC at [1]. > >> > > >> > Justin, > >> > > >> > I think formally, if you review [2] (you may also want to scroll down, > >> and > >> > review later parts of this page on voting), you'll see that the PPMC > >> votes > >> > really don't count for anything other than merit. The IPMC vote is > what > >> > really counts. If you follow that page verbatim, the votes by the > IPMC > >> are > >> > the only ones that count. > >> > > >> > If you follow the alternative voting method, found at [3], you'll see > >> that > >> > votes via PPMC are acceptable if and only if the IPMC has agreed to > such. > >> > > >> > > >> > [1]: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html > >> > [2]: > >> > > >> > >> > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/releasemanagement.html#best-practice-incubator-release-vote > >> > [3]: > >> http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Releases > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 7:48 PM, Ross Gardler < > >> rgard...@opendirective.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;>> > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> > > There is no formal PPMC. When a podling is created all initial > >> committers > >> > > are equal. I guess some podlings might create the concept of a > separate > >> > > PPMC during incubation. I've never advised that in my own podlings > >> > > (probably because I'm a believer in an absolute minimum barrier to > >> entry). > >> > > I guess it's up to individual projects and mentors just as our top > >> level > >> > > projects can decide if the PMC is the whole set or a subset of the > >> > > committers > >> > > On 25 Jul 2014 00:33, "Justin Mclean" <jus...@classsoftware.com > <javascript:;> > >> <javascript:;>> wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > Hi, > >> > > > > >> > > > > As a mentor I've (nearly) always advised that if there are three > >> IPMC > >> > > > votes on the dev list then there is no need to make further noise > on > >> the > >> > > > general list with unnecessary +1's. I therefore point out in the > >> general@ > >> > > > vote mail that 3 binding (IPMC) +1's have been received and > therefore > >> > > there > >> > > > is only a need to vote if there is an objection. > >> > > > Fair enough + seem reasonable to me. > >> > > > > >> > > > > TECHNICALITY: PPMC votes are not binding (although they > absolutely > >> > > > should be considered as such by the project). Only IPMC votes are > >> > > > considered binding at the foundational level since PPMC members > are > >> not > >> > > yet > >> > > > a member of a formal committee. > >> > > > You need 3 +1 votes first on the podlings dev list, and PPMC > votes do > >> > > > count there, we wouldn't see a lot of podling releases otherwise. > :-) > >> > > Does > >> > > > that mean any +1 vote (say by a committer or user) on the dev list > >> also > >> > > > counts if PPMC votes aren't actually considered binding? (I'd > assume > >> not > >> > > > but again it's not clear from the document). > >> > > > > >> > > > Thanks, > >> > > > Justin > >> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > <javascript:;> > >> <javascript:;> > >> > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > general-h...@incubator.apache.org <javascript:;> > >> <javascript:;> > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > <javascript:;> > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > <javascript:;> > >
