+1 to everything Ross said below and I monitored that experiment as well but was unaware of the 3 incidents, etc.
As for pTLPs and shifting mentorship, etc., I trust Ross’s judgement but think we need more data on this across a number of projects before we know definitively what’s the cause of what, etc. Cheers, Chris ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. Chief Architect Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398) NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527 Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ -----Original Message----- From: "Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)" <ross.gard...@microsoft.com> Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org> Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 at 12:07 PM To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org> Subject: RE: Running an experiment with pTLP >I don't want to fan flames or point fingers, but at the same time I need >to say this. Please read it as being intended to be constructive... > >This whole pTLP thing is not new. We conducted an experiment like the one >proposed below some time ago. The outcome of that experiment was supposed >to be a proposal to the board from the IPMC about how to create and >manage pTLP's at scale. > >At the start of that experiment I (as Champion) spent a long time >collating the various views on the proposal. I provided this as summary >email at the start of the podlings life. I believed this was a really >good start for whoever was going to turn it into a full proposal. It >might be useful here also. NOTE - I'm not naming the podling or mentors >to minimize the chance of people feeling that I'm finger pointing in the >following paragraphs - there are plenty of folks around who will have >that email in their archives. > >Unfortunately the experiment did not go well. > >No proposal was received and, more importantly, as champion (but not a >mentor) for the project in question I was asked to step in on three >separate occasion. This was despite, or perhaps because of, there being >some very old hands in the podling committer list. > >My point today is just the same as it was when this was discussed the >first time around. This proposal simply moves the problem (projects >lacking in appropriate mentorship) to someone else's doorstep. It does >not solve the problem itself. > >To be clear, I have no intention of voting against the proposed >experiment. I do want to see the experiment take place (just as I did the >first time around) but we need to ensure we are not simply moving the >oversight role - that is not the problem that needs solving. > >Ross > >-----Original Message----- >From: Bertrand Delacretaz [mailto:bdelacre...@apache.org] >Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 2:39 AM >To: Incubator General >Subject: Re: Running an experiment with pTLP > >On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 12:14 AM, Roman Shaposhnik <r...@apache.org> wrote: >> ...Given that I'll be mentoring Zeppelin, I'd love to use that as a >>guinea pig. >> Provided, that I'd have some level of collaboration from the board.... > >I don't have a clear idea of what the suggested experiment means, it >looks like that info is scattered around several threads that I have lost >track of. A brief definition on a wiki page would help make sure >everybody has the same view of what you are suggesting. > >-Bertrand > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
