On 9 February 2015 at 21:59, John D. Ament <johndam...@apache.org> wrote:
> I noticed that as well. I'm assuming it's in part because no one has > access to the incubator JIRA. > How come ? of course you need a jira account, but incubator jira does not seem to have specially closed permissions. https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR/?selectedTab=com.atlassian.jira.jira-projects-plugin:summary-panel > > John > > On Mon Feb 09 2015 at 3:57:23 PM Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org> wrote: > > > Guess how many bugs have been logged against the Incubator in the last > > 2 years? Only four[1]. > > > > The recent discussions about effective mentoring got me thinking. I > > know that my mentors are busy people, so I don't bother them with a > > question unless I've first tried to find the answer. In fact, most of > > the time I don't want to be "mentored" as such: I just want the > > Incubator to provide a clear process that I can find using five > > minutes and a couple of google searches. > > > > It seems clear (at least to me) that the Incubator provides a product. > > That product is an explanation of the Apache process, as clear as > > possible, and as accessible as possible. When the process is not > > clear, that is a bug in the product. So, when a discussion on this > > list did not yield a clear answer, I logged a bug[2]. That's when I > > discovered that virtually no one else is logging bugs against the > > Incubator, and I found that really surprising. > > > > Let me expand on the product metaphor. The Incubator provides guidance > > on the Apache process, and the projects follow it, learn, and due > > course graduate. The "product" here is the explanation of the Apache > > process. The "customers" here are the incubation projects. The product > > is imperfect and always changing, but everyone wants to improve it, > > and the way to do that is by logging issues. > > > > The contract is that the customers (the projects) commit to logging > > the issues they encounter (and if possible make contributions to fix > > those issues), and the the producer (the Incubator) commits to resolve > > those issues in a timely fashion. > > > > So then, why is the Incubator not imploring the projects to log more > > issues? > A very straight and very fine argumentation, I like it a lot (and agree with it). rgds jan i. > > > Julian > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=project%20%3D%20INCUBATOR > > > > [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-129 > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > >
