Hi All, Proposal is posted for voting.
Please vote. Regards, Atri On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Atri Sharma <atri.j...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi All, > > I have posted proposal in Discuss thread. > > Please provide your contributions there. > > Regards, > > Atri > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 12:27 AM, Atri Sharma <atri.j...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Thanks for your opinion. >> >> On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Sergio Fernández <wik...@apache.org> >> wrote: >> >>> I just wanted to state the fact that mentoring is not expected to take an >>> active role in technical questions. >> >> >> I agree for that and I understand that we are not looking for technical >> mentoring. However, if our mentors are wishing to help us in that manner, >> we will be more than happy. >> >> Moreover arguing that "bootstrapping >>> the existing code base and community into ASF will generate much more >>> interest" clearly shows an excessive fascination with the Apache brand. >>> >> >> I respectfully disagree. I think the motivation here is not attracting >> more people into the community using Apache brand but manage existing and >> future community using Apache processes. I believe that managing our >> community with the Apache way is a better way of handling the community and >> that is what we mean when we say that the community management process is >> easier and healthier with Apache way. >> >> For the visibility side, we believe that the biggest advantage Concerted >> will have is that it will have a chance to be directed and helped by big >> data projects which are end user targets for Concerted. The primary target >> for Concerted is to be support engine platform for big data projects and >> Apache Big Data projects are the biggest use cases that we see. Hence, we >> see the project as a liable candidate for ASF project and since we aim to >> have Concerted be in sync with needs and use cases for Apache Big Data >> projects, it seems logical to have Concerted as an ASF project early on and >> be able to start helping Apache Big Data projects. Community development in >> this case only means the potential direction or support project might get >> from Apache Big Data projects that might be interested in Concerted. I >> assure you that it is not a translation of excessive fascination with >> Apache brand for us. If we are incorrect please correct us. >> >> >>> In >>> the end you have to take into account that been a podling introduces >>> quite >>> some overhead, which personally I don't find healthy in such very early >>> stage. >>> >>> But well, looks the proposal has enough support, so my opinion is just >>> that, an individual opinion. Go ahead with the proposal, and all the >>> best! >>> >> >> Thank you. >> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 10:51 AM, <nup...@ingeniumsys.com> wrote: >>> >>> > As a member of Concerted community, I believe that acceptance into ASF >>> > Incubator is beneficial for Concerted especially in terms of community >>> > support. Being an independent project on github really does not help >>> when >>> > we want to build a healthy community of people interested in Concerted >>> and >>> > aiming to take Concerted to ultimate goal we have i.e. being the >>> primary in >>> > memory support framework for big data engines. I really feel that >>> > bootstrapping the existing code base and community into ASF will >>> generate >>> > much more interest, visibility and allow the community to be regulated >>> in a >>> > much better manner. >>> > >>> > Also, I agree with Atri on the fact that since our eventual goal is to >>> be >>> > supporting existing big data projects, working with them early on is a >>> > great way to improve our roadmap and get contributions from those >>> projects. >>> > >>> > As a person who has been revamping Concerted code base for a while >>> now, I >>> > believe that the existing code base is a great place to pick up the >>> main >>> > development of Concerted. >>> > >>> > Nupur >>> > >>> > >>> > On 05/10/2015 02:09 PM, Atri Sharma wrote: >>> > >>> >> While I do not disagree with the fact that the code base can evolve at >>> >> github, the situation here is a bit different. Preliminary though it >>> is, >>> >> Concerted does have an existing code base. The bigger question is >>> having >>> >> the code base evolve at a higher frequency with a wider community. >>> >> >>> >> I think that if Concerted becomes a part of ASF Incubator, it has a >>> much >>> >> higher chance of evolving into a wider product with a much better >>> >> alignment >>> >> with the existing Apache big data ecosystem. Concerted provides the >>> >> ability >>> >> to DIY big data in memory support engines, with a high degree of >>> custom >>> >> building for each user project. >>> >> >>> >> The reason why Concerted is proposed to become part of ASF Incubator >>> is >>> >> that Concerted is a small project right now, with a roadmap and a set >>> of >>> >> developers. Getting into ASF allows the Concerted project to have much >>> >> better visibility with existing big data projects, which will then >>> allow >>> >> Concerted to be developed with more goals in mind. Please note that >>> >> eventual goal of Concerted is to be supporting existing big data >>> engines >>> >> with on demand custom in memory support. Since the primary target is >>> >> Apache >>> >> big data space, I think it makes sense to be bootstrapping into ASF >>> early >>> >> on. >>> >> >>> >> Second, ASF will allow Concerted to have better community support and >>> >> management. As mentioned earlier, visibility and integration with >>> other >>> >> ASF >>> >> projects will allow those projects to contribute to Concerted if they >>> want >>> >> to mold it. Also, being a part of ASF anyways helps build community >>> and >>> >> manage it in a much better manner. >>> >> >>> >> I think Roman put it aptly when he mentioned Apache Drill. I think >>> Apache >>> >> Drill came to ASF Incubator with a goal and a community, and Concerted >>> >> comes with the same goal. We already have a small community of active >>> >> people, and who are excited at prospect of joining the Incubator. >>> >> >>> >> Please also note that Concerted does not aim to become a large project >>> >> like >>> >> Apache Spark (although that might change with time). Community current >>> >> aims >>> >> are to become a lightweight in memory support engine building >>> framework, >>> >> with a small but well managed community and code base. So, the >>> existing >>> >> code base might actually be a great starting point for us to be >>> >> bootstrapped into ASF Incubator, build community and build the >>> existing >>> >> framework into a much more mature project dedicated at supporting ASF >>> big >>> >> data projects. >>> >> >>> >> Thoughts? >>> >> >>> >> Regards, >>> >> >>> >> Atri >>> >> >>> >> On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 1:39 PM, Sergio Fernández <wik...@apache.org> >>> >> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Well, I think what we should ask ourselves is if this is actually the >>> role >>> >>> of ASF incubation. FMPOV the project will evolve much easier at >>> github, >>> >>> and >>> >>> once the code base becomes a reality we can help mentoring the >>> project in >>> >>> the Apache way. But this is just my personal opinion. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Ted Dunning <ted.dunn...@gmail.com> >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> It looks like there is plenty of mentor-power left on the project. I >>> >>>> don't >>> >>>> see why one mentor dropping out from a good and large group is a >>> >>>> problem. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 8:08 AM, Roman Shaposhnik <r...@apache.org> >>> >>>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> > Hi! >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > as some of you know, Atri and I have been >>> >>>> > discussing his Concerted Proposal lately: >>> >>>> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ConcertedProposal >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > At this point I can no longer offer my mentorship >>> >>>> > services (I ended up quite overloaded as it is) >>> >>>> > and I feel it is only fair to Atri if I ask for help here. >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > Consider this thread a pre-DICUSS. Concerted isn't >>> >>>> > what most of the Incubator proposals are these days. >>> >>>> > It is much more about promise of technology rather >>> >>>> > than something that exists today. In this it reminds >>> >>>> > me of Drill a great deal when it just got proposed -- mostly >>> >>>> > and idea. Not much of an existing code base or product. >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > So I guess what I'm asking is an IPMC opinion on >>> >>>> > how to proceed with this given the mentor situation >>> >>>> > and the state of technology. >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > Please help by chiming in. >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > Thanks, >>> >>>> > Roman. >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>>> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>> >>>> > For additional commands, e-mail: >>> general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Sergio Fernández >>> >>> Partner Technology Manager >>> >>> Redlink GmbH >>> >>> m: +43 6602747925 >>> >>> e: sergio.fernan...@redlink.co >>> >>> w: http://redlink.co >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>> > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sergio Fernández >>> Partner Technology Manager >>> Redlink GmbH >>> m: +43 6602747925 >>> e: sergio.fernan...@redlink.co >>> w: http://redlink.co >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Regards, >> >> Atri >> *l'apprenant* >> > > > > -- > Regards, > > Atri > *l'apprenant* > -- Regards, Atri *l'apprenant*
