I'm CC'ing Shane to try to get a response. John
On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 9:44 PM John D. Ament <johndam...@apache.org> wrote: > TBH, I'm a bit surprised with the answer provided by Shane in the JIRA. > My understanding has been that branding is an important part of incubation, > so hearing that it should come near the conclusion is a bit perplexing. > > Hopefully he can provide some clarification of it. > > John > > > On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 7:19 PM P. Taylor Goetz <ptgo...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> +1 for doing it early. Waiting to the bitter end can delay graduation, >> and a podling rename can be disruptive. >> >> IMO part of incubation is about establishing and learning how to protect >> your brand. Establishing a brand is not an exercise you want to have to do >> twice. >> >> -Taylor >> >> > On May 27, 2016, at 6:37 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) < >> chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: >> > >> > I’ve always done the podling name search right away. I’m not >> > sure where that comment came from from Shane - my experience >> > has been the opposite. >> > >> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> > Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. >> > Chief Architect >> > Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398) >> > NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA >> > Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527 >> > Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov >> > WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ >> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> > Director, Information Retrieval and Data Science Group (IRDS) >> > Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department >> > University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA >> > WWW: http://irds.usc.edu/ >> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> On 5/27/16, 3:35 PM, "Stian Soiland-Reyes" <st...@apache.org> wrote: >> >> >> >> I think the point is that name search is not a blocker for doing >> incubator >> >> releases - it can be time consuming and there are many other >> "bureaucratic" >> >> steps to get through in the beginning like IP clearance and license >> >> checking. >> >> >> >> For brand new projects, name search can therefore be delayed - their >> name >> >> is less important as their community will be fully within the >> incubator to >> >> start with. >> >> >> >> However I think for established distributed projects moving to the >> >> incubator it is more important to sort name earlier - it can be >> disruptive >> >> enough for the community with the change of infrastructure and the >> >> formalities, so you may might not want to confuse them again with a new >> >> name many months later - effectively changing all infrastructure again. >> >> >> >> Some podlings found their name could be tricky trademark wise and had >> to >> >> change, but getting together and deciding a new name can even be a good >> >> thing, as it breaks any legacy corporate ownership and builds a new >> >> collective identity. >> >>> On 27 May 2016 7:20 p.m., "Balaji Ganesan" <bgane...@apache.org> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Podling namesearch is essential step that needs to be completed >> before the >> >>> podling graduates. There is no specific guidance, as far as i know, >> on what >> >>> stage of podling you should do it. >> >>> >> >>> That said, it would be better to do this early enough and get >> approval on >> >>> the name. If there is any reason to change name, due to a conflict, >> it is >> >>> better to do it before releases are made and community starts building >> >>> around. Name change is always a pain. >> >>> >> >>>> On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 11:07 AM, Jakob Homan <jgho...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> We were getting ready to start the PNS for Airflow when I came across >> >>>> this comment from Shane in regards to Kudu: >> >>>> >> >>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-93 >> >>>> "This looks like a pretty good set of search data, but we usually >> >>>> don't work on resolving PODLINGNAMESEARCHES until a podling is >> clearly >> >>>> established, has a release, community is building, etc." >> >>>> >> >>>> This is surprising to me and different than the last time I was >> >>>> involved in an incubating project. Is this correct? >> >>>> >> >>>> It seems more useful to determine if a name can be used early in the >> >>>> incubation, before releases, talks, thousands of lines code, package >> >>>> names, emotional attachments, etc. In the event that a podling >> fails, >> >>>> nothing is lost by okaying the name early, assuming we don't attempt >> >>>> to trademark (which we haven't been for non-TLPs, I believe). >> >>>> >> >>>> Any thoughts? Any reason not to start doing the PNS for Airflow now? >> >>>> >> >>>> Thanks, >> >>>> Jakob >> >>>> >> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> > >> ТÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÐÐ¥Fò >> Vç7V'67&–&R RÖÖ –â vVæW& Â×Vç7V'67&–&T –æ7V& F÷"æ 6†Ræ÷&pФf÷" FF—F–öæ >>  6öÖÖ æG2 RÖÖ –â vVæW& ÂÖ†VÇ –æ7V& F÷"æ 6†Ræ÷&pÐ >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> >>
