Agree with you on all points, Taylor. And I am even quite surprised to see the number of people backing the project, yet Apache is adamant to get involved. It feels a little bit like the "Community over Code" and "Independent of any Corporate Influences" have both received a big fat slap in their faces, and I think this hurts the ASF more than any fallout with named corporation.
Disappointing to me... Niclas On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 7:32 AM, P. Taylor Goetz <ptgo...@gmail.com> wrote: > I think the community behind this proposal is ready to accept defeat at > this point. With DataStax' objection, the project simply can't be brought > under the auspices of the ASF unless DataStax reverses its stance. > > Personally, I'm somewhat discouraged to see a company I once held in high > regard in terms of supporting OSS and the ASF take this action. This > represents a further erosion of that respect. It is what it is. I can't > fault DataStax for trying to protect their bottom line. They are well > within their rights here. It could be considered a stain on their > relationship with the ASF, or not. > > The community seems committed to moving forward with a fork, whether it is > considered hostile or friendly. From discussions I've been privy to, if > DataStax were to reverse their stance, this community would come back to > the ASF in a heartbeat. There's a community behind this code, and they > deserve the right to move forward. > > I think they will, unfortunately not at the ASF. At least for now. Nothing > would please me more than to see this community be able to come to Apache. > > -Taylor > > > On Sep 30, 2016, at 4:15 AM, Tom Barber <tom.bar...@meteorite.bi> wrote: > > > > I like the re-licensing threat.... get it forked on github and prove to > > them there is a willing community out there! > > > > Tom > > > >> On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 4:17 AM, P. Taylor Goetz <ptgo...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > >> I'd leave it open for now. I imagine/hope there are enough people aware > of > >> this thread that the sentiments expressed here might affect a change. > >> > >> -Taylor > >> > >>>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, Henry Saputra <henry.sapu...@gmail.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> With obvious block due to Datastax response, shall I CLOSE this DISCUSS > >>> thread until further updates, if any? > >>> > >>>> On Thursday, September 29, 2016, P. Taylor Goetz <ptgo...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> For the record I'd be -1 as well unless DataStax chose to support it. > >>>> > >>>> I would like to give them time to change their mind though. > >>>> > >>>> -Taylor > >>>> > >>>>>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:37 PM, Greg Stein <gst...@gmail.com > >>>>> <javascript:;>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Sep 29, 2016 19:22, "P. Taylor Goetz" <ptgo...@gmail.com > >>>> <javascript:;>> wrote: > >>>>>> ... > >>>>>> They can block a move to the ASF, but they can’t block a fork of the > >>>>> project moving elsewhere. Strong communities will regroup and live > on. > >>>>> DataStax' reluctance to allow it could very easily be interpreted as > a > >>>>> rejection of the ASF governance model or the Foundation itself. > >>>>> > >>>>> Yes, the community could certainly launch their fork at GitHub or > some > >>>>> such. DataStax provided them with that ability via the ALv2 license. > >> The > >>>>> ASF is not a necessary step for that community. > >>>>> > >>>>>> ... > >>>>>> Can we wait and see if DataStax is willing to do the right thing > >> before > >>>>> shooting down the proposal as a hostile fork? > >>>>> > >>>>> My vote remains -1. That can change, based on their choices. > >>>>> > >>>>> Cheers, > >>>>> -g > >>>> > >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >>>> <javascript:;> > >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >>>> <javascript:;> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >> > >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > -- Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer http://zest.apache.org - New Energy for Java
