Hi -

I had a discussion with Joe and another gentleman involved in Pulsar.

They asked how long incubation takes. I answered that it depends. We reviewed 
some of the steps needed in Incubation particularly:

- Release process with correct LICENSE and NOTICE
- Community building requirement - especially accepting and promoting someone 
new from outside the initial committers.
- Everything on the ML meaning decisions which might be made in conversation 
need to be there for a review over a few rotations of the planet. I mentioned 
BFDLs not being what is wanted and told the 10 year old story of POI’s OOXML 
flame.
- Build infrastructure questions regarding unit tests some of which will be 
preferred on clusters. Some are currently proprietary. I’m not sure what Apache 
Infra currently supports so negotiation is required.

I think that there is a good chance for a diverse community that will not be 
wholly dependent on Yahoo.

End result - I am willing to sign up as a Mentor for Pulsar.

Regards,
Dave

> On Apr 28, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi John,
> 
> I am trying to decide if I personally wish to mentor Pulsar and will be 
> asking technical questions. IMO this is not appropriate to an Incubator 
> discussion. Anything that surfaces that is appropriate can be brought back to 
> this discussion.
> 
> There is no intension to subvert Incubator process.
> 
> I certainly understand asynchronous global teams. I've spent many years 
> working with development teams in Moscow and India.
> 
> We can have a separate discussion about how misunderstandings can cause email 
> threads to totally blow up.
> 
> Regards,
> Dave
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2017, at 4:20 AM, John D. Ament <johndam...@apache.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm sorry but I'm a bit dumb founded by this part of the thread.  I'll
>> apologize up front for my bluntness.
>> 
>> In the incubator, we're trying to teach projects to deal with asynchronous
>> communication.  The last thing we should be doing is encouraging phone
>> calls/real time meetings.  If there are technical questions, and you feel
>> they need to be answered prior to starting incubation that's perfectly fine
>> - but try to get the answers in ways we would expect, via public mailing
>> lists.
>> 
>> John
>> 
>>> On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 10:17 PM Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi -
>>> 
>>> I am in California and could do a webex this Monday.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Dave
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 27, 2017, at 1:41 AM, Jochen Theodorou <blackd...@gmx.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 26.04.2017 23:19, Joe Francis wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dear Apache Incubator Community,
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> We would like to submit the Pulsar proposal to the incubator.  Our
>>> draft is
>>>>> available at:
>>>>>  https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/PulsarProposal
>>>>> 
>>>>> A quick overview of Pulsar:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Pulsar is a highly scalable, low latency messaging platform running on
>>>>> commodity hardware. It provides simple pub-sub semantics over topics,
>>>>> guaranteed at-least-once delivery of messages, automatic cursor
>>> management for
>>>>> subscribers, and cross-datacenter replication.
>>>> 
>>>> Without really knowing the details of a messaging platform and even with
>>> the danger of comparing apples and oranges... how would you compare for
>>> example hazelcast based messaging to pulsar?
>>>> 
>>>> bye Jochen
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