If your objective is to get me to change my vote, I'd suggest this is not a 
good way forward.

Craig

> On May 4, 2017, at 12:02 AM, Niclas Hedhman <nic...@hedhman.org> wrote:
> 
> Sorry, but if you don't know the background on that file, then perhaps you
> think I am "not civil"... The fact is that NOTICE file doesn't require any
> inclusion of what the project depends on, since they are not bundled, but
> will be downloaded during build. In a previous round, we were told to take
> it out of NOTICE for that reason (not bundled) and I argued that we should
> keep it in to make it more reasonable for downstreams to get an idea of
> what a binary distro will actually contain. This file was the compromise of
> providing such details to downstream.
> 
> Now you say, "Uhhh, it is unclear..." when in reality it would be even more
> unclear if we left it out, as some people on this very list pushed for on a
> previous RC.
> 
> So, yes, I get pissed off as well. The incubator over time is getting more
> and more intolerant at podling's first release, and I think it is the wrong
> way to go. It is disheartening... truly...
> 
> 
> Niclas
> 
> On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 1:57 PM, Craig Russell <apache....@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I'm going to call foul on this one.
>> 
>> If you cannot be civil, then leave the discussion to others.
>> 
>> Craig
>> 
>>> On May 3, 2017, at 7:24 PM, Niclas Hedhman <nic...@hedhman.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> BUT ALSO figuring out what to start looking for. For fak sake,
>>> man.... Get a grip on reality!
>> 
>> Craig L Russell
>> Secretary, Apache Software Foundation
>> c...@apache.org http://db.apache.org/jdo
>> 
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