I believe heron and storm should be merged back together. I do not see the value of storm and a storm fork in the asf.
On Thursday, June 22, 2017, Bill Graham <billgra...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks Taylor for relaying these sentiments, especially the part about the > Heron website which is indeed poorly worded (I suspect this could have been > the result of internal docs being open-sourced). I've opened this pull > request to update the language regarding Storm: > > https://github.com/twitter/heron/pull/1979 > > On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 12:21 PM, P. Taylor Goetz <ptgo...@gmail.com > <javascript:;>> wrote: > > > The Apache Storm PMC had a discussion regarding the Heron proposal. In > the > > spirit of openness I wanted to bring some of the sentiments expressed in > > that discussion back to this list. Please note that I am paraphrasing > from > > that discussion and attempting to relay opinions of the collective PMC, > not > > necessarily that of any individual. > > > > * There is a general disappointment that the Heron community chose not to > > engage with the Storm community and instead chose a separate path. > > * A majority of the PMC supports Heron’s incubation, though some felt it > > would result in unnecessary duplication of effort. > > * A majority of the PMC supports the two projects working closely > > together. A number of PMC members suggested the two projects merge in > some > > way. > > * Many PMC members took issue some of the marketing language on the Heron > > website, particularly Heron being billed as “the direct successor to > Apache > > Storm” and the prominent “Upgrade from Storm” links. The main concern > here > > was such phrasing has somewhat of a hostile tone and undermines the > desire > > for better collaboration, as well as confusing users. > > > > One of my goals as a proposed mentor for Heron and a Storm PMC member is > > to address some of these concerns and encourage collaboration. As I > > mentioned to the Storm PMC on that thread, if there are ongoing concerns > > from either the Storm PMC or the Heron PPMC about me acting as a mentor, > I > > would be willing to step down. > > > > +1 (binding) > > > > -Taylor > > > > > On Jun 16, 2017, at 4:41 PM, Bill Graham <billgra...@gmail.com > <javascript:;>> wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Based on the discussion on the incubator mailing list[1] I would like > to > > > call a vote to add Heron to the Apache Incubator. > > > > > > The full proposal is available below, and is also available on the > Apache > > > Incubator wiki at: > > > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/HeronProposal > > > > > > Please vote: > > > [ ] +1, bring Heron into Incubator > > > [ ] -1, do not bring Heron into Incubator, because... > > > > > > The vote will open for 7 days until Friday June 23 at 14:00 PT. > > > > > > Thank you > > > > > > 1 - > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/fb91f527ef479bb5df45bf2c9d93b7 > > 786c3fa6cdbfeba3128599df79@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E > > > > > > > > > > > > = Heron Proposal = > > > > > > = Abstract = > > > Heron is a real-time, distributed, fault-tolerant stream processing > > engine > > > initially developed by Twitter. > > > > > > = Proposal = > > > > > > Heron is a real-time stream processing engine built for high > performance, > > > ease of manageability, performance predictability and developer > > > productivity[1]. We wish to develop a community around Heron to > increase > > > contributions and see Heron thrive in an open forum. > > > > > > = Background = > > > > > > Heron provides the ability for developers to compose directed acyclic > > > graphs (DAGs) of real-time query execution logic (i.e. a topology) and > > > submit the topology to execute on a pluggable job scheduling system > > (e.g., > > > Apache Aurora, YARN, Marathon, etc). Users can employ either the native > > > Heron API or the Apache Storm API to develop the topology. Heron > supports > > > the Storm API for ease of migration, but beyond that Heron’s > architecture > > > differs considerably from Storm’s. > > > > > > Users submit a topology to the scheduler using the Heron client, which > > uses > > > the Heron binary libraries to deploy all daemons required to run and > > manage > > > the topology. The topology therefore has no reliance on centrally > managed > > > Heron services, only on a generic job scheduling system, which lends > > itself > > > well to be run on top of Apache Aurora/Mesos or Apache Hadoop/YARN > (among > > > others). > > > > > > The scheduler runs each topology as a job consisting of multiple > > > containers. One of the containers runs the topology master, responsible > > for > > > managing the topology. The remaining containers each runs a stream > > manager > > > responsible for data routing, a metrics manager that collects and > reports > > > various metrics and a number of processes called Heron instances which > > run > > > the user-defined logic on the stream of tuples. Parallelism is achieved > > via > > > process-based isolation of Heron instances, which provides predictable > > > performance while simplifying debugging. The containers are allocated > and > > > managed by the scheduler framework based on resource availability of > > nodes > > > in the cluster. The metadata for the topology, such as the physical > plan > > > and execution details, are stored in the pluggable Heron State Manager > > > (e.g. Apache ZooKeeper). > > > > > > = Rationale = > > > > > > Heron is a general-purpose, modular and extensible platform that can be > > > leveraged to support common, real-time analytics use cases. There is an > > > increasing demand for open-source, scalable real-time analytics > systems. > > We > > > believe that Heron can be leveraged by other organizations to build > > > streaming applications that can benefit from its robustness, high > > > performance, adaptability to cloud environments and ease of use. > > Moreover, > > > we hope that open-sourcing Heron will help to further evolve the > > technology > > > as the project attracts contributors with diverse backgrounds and areas > > of > > > expertise. > > > > > > We believe the Apache foundation is a great fit as the long-term home > for > > > Heron, as it provides an established process for community-driven > > > development and decision making by consensus. This is exactly the model > > we > > > want for future Heron development. > > > > > > = Initial Goals = > > > > > > * Move the existing codebase, website, documentation, and mailing lists > > to > > > Apache-hosted infrastructure. > > > * Integrate with the Apache development process. > > > * Ensure all dependencies are compliant with Apache License version > 2.0. > > > * Incrementally develop and release per Apache guidelines. > > > > > > = Current Status = > > > > > > Heron is a stable project used in production at Twitter since 2014 and > > open > > > sourced under the ASL v2 license in 2016. The Heron source code is > > > currently hosted at github.com (https://github.com/twitter/heron), > which > > > will seed the Apache git repository. > > > > > > = Meritocracy = > > > > > > By submitting this incubator proposal, we’re expressing our intent to > > build > > > a diverse developer community around Heron that will conduct itself > > > according to The Apache Way and use a meritocratic means of building > it's > > > committer base. Several companies and universities have already > expressed > > > interest in and contributed to Heron. Our goal is to grow the Heron > > > community by encouraging open communication, contribution and > > participation > > > of all types, and ensuring that contributors are recognized > > appropriately. > > > > > > = Community = > > > > > > Heron is currently being used by Twitter, Google, Machine Zone and > > > ndustrial.io and has received significant contributions by Microsoft > and > > > Streamlio. By bringing Heron into the Apache ecosystem, we believe we > can > > > attract even more developers who are interested in creating real-time > > > systems to build the project's contributor base. > > > > > > == Core Developers == > > > > > > Current core developers are engineers from Twitter, Google, Microsoft > and > > > Streamlio. > > > > > > == Alignment == > > > > > > Heron utilizes a number of Apache technologies. Heron leverages Apache > > > ZooKeeper for coordination and has scheduler implementations to > integrate > > > with Apache Mesos, Apache Aurora and Apache Hadoop's YARN (via Apache > > REEF) > > > as well as spout implementations to integrate with Apache Kafka and > > metrics > > > implementations to integrate with Scribe. Heron also implements the > > Apache > > > Storm user-level API, which allows topologies written against Storm to > > run > > > in Heron. We believe that having Heron at Apache will help further the > > > growth of the streaming compute community, as well as encourage > > cooperation > > > and developer cross pollination with other Apache projects. > > > > > > = Known Risks = > > > > > > == Orphaned Products == > > > > > > The risk of the Heron project being abandoned is minimal. It is used in > > > production at Twitter and Google and other companies are evaluating or > > > adopting it for production use. > > > > > > == Inexperience with Open Source == > > > > > > All of the core contributors to the project have considerable > experience > > > with open source software development. Bill Graham[2], Ashvin > Agrawal[3] > > > and Supun Kamburugamuve[4], committers on the project, are PMCs on > other > > > Apache projects and Bill and Ashvin have gone through the Apache > > incubator > > > process. Twitter has already donated numerous projects to the ASF > (e.g., > > > Apache Mesos, Apache Aurora, Apache Parquet). We also plan to be > mentored > > > by experienced ASF members that can help with any roadblocks. > > > > > > == Homogenous Developers == > > > > > > Initial committers come from 5 separate organizations. Our intention is > > > increase the diversity of contributing developers and their > affiliations. > > > To date github contributions have come from approximately 50 > contributors > > > from outside the Twitter team. > > > > > > == Reliance on Salaried Developers == > > > > > > It is expected that Heron development will occur on both salaried time > > and > > > on volunteer time. The majority of initial committers are paid by their > > > employers to contribute to this project. We are committed to recruiting > > > additional committers from other organizations as well as non-salaried > > > committers to join project. > > > > > > == Relationships with Other Apache Products == > > > > > > As mentioned in the Alignment section, Heron implements the Apache > Storm > > > API and integrates with multiple Apache schedulers (Apache Mesos, > Apache > > > Aurora and Apache Hadoop's YARN) as well as Apache ZooKeeper and Apache > > > Thrift. > > > > > > == An Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand == > > > > > > Heron's popularity is growing in the streaming compute space and we are > > > long time supporters of the Apache brand. This proposal is not for the > > > purpose of generating publicity through. Rather, the primary benefits > to > > > joining Apache are those of community building and open decision making > > > outlined in the Rationale section. > > > > > > == Documentation == > > > > > > This proposal exists online as > > > http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/HeronProposal. Extensive > documentation > > can > > > be found on github at https://twitter.github.io/heron and the source > > code > > > is well documented. > > > > > > == Source and Intellectual Property Submission Plan == > > > > > > The Heron codebase is currently hosted on Github: > > > https://github.com/twitter/heron. During incubation, the codebase will > > be > > > migrated to Apache infrastructure. The source code is already ASF 2.0 > > > licensed. > > > > > > == External Dependencies == > > > > > > All external libraries have ASF 2.0 compatible licenses except for > > pylint. > > > The pylint library is GPL licensed, but is only used for pre-build > Python > > > style checks and is neither bundled with, nor relied upon by, the Heron > > > source or binary release artifacts. > > > > > > == Cryptography == > > > > > > Heron does not use any cryptography libraries. > > > > > > = Required Resources = > > > > > > == Mailing lists == > > > > > > * priv...@heron.incubator.apache.org <javascript:;> (with moderated > subscriptions) > > > * d...@heron.incubator.apache.org <javascript:;> > > > * comm...@heron.incubator.apache.org <javascript:;> > > > * u...@heron.incubator.apache.org <javascript:;> > > > > > > == Subversion Directory == > > > > > > Git is the preferred source control system: git://git.apache.org/heron > > > > > > == Issue Tracking == > > > > > > JIRA: Heron (HERON) > > > > > > == Initial Committers == > > > > > > * Andrew Jorgensen (andrew at andrewjorgensen dot com) > > > * Ashvin Agrawal (ashvin at apache dot org)* > > > * Avrilia Floratou (avrilia dot floratou at gmail dot com) > > > * Bill Graham (billgraham at apache dot org)* > > > * Brian Hatfield (bmhatfield at gmail dot com) > > > * Chris Kellogg (cckellogg at gmail dot com) > > > * Huijun Wu (huijun dot wu dot 2010 at gmail dot com) > > > * Karthik Ramasamy (karthik at gmail dot com) > > > * Maosong Fu (maosongfu at gmail dot com) > > > * Neng Lu(freeneng at gmail dot com) > > > * Runhang Li (obj dot runhang at gmail dot com) > > > * Sanjeev Kulkarni (sanjeevrk at gmail dot com) > > > * Supun Kamburugamuve (supun at apache dot org)* > > > * Thomas Sun (tom dot ssf at gmail dot com) > > > * Yaliang Wang (yaliang dot w dot wang at ieee dot org) > > > > > > == Affiliations == > > > > > > * Andrew Jorgensen (Google) > > > * Ashvin Agrawal (Microsoft) > > > * Avrilia Floratou (Microsoft) > > > * Bill Graham (Twitter) > > > * Brian Hatfield (Google) > > > * Chris Kellogg (Twitter) > > > * Huijun Wu (Twitter) > > > * Karthik Ramasamy (Streamlio) > > > * Maosong Fu (Twitter) > > > * Neng Lu (Twitter) > > > * Runhang Li (Twitter) > > > * Sanjeev Kulkarni (Streamlio) > > > * Supun Kamburugamuve (Indiana University) > > > * Thomas Sun (Twitter) > > > * Yaliang Wang (Twitter) > > > > > > = Sponsors = > > > > > > == Champion == > > > > > > * Julien Le Dem (julien at apache dot org) > > > > > > == Nominated Mentors == > > > > > > * Jake Farrell (jfarrell at apache dot org) > > > * Jacques Nadeau (jacques at apache dot org) > > > * Julien Le Dem (julien at apache dot org) > > > * P. Taylor Goetz (ptgoetz at apache dot org) > > > > > > == Sponsoring Entity == > > > > > > The Apache Incubator > > > > > > == Footnotes == > > > > > > * 1 - Papers detailing Heron are available at > > > http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=2742788 and > > > http://sites.computer.org/debull/A15dec/p15.pdf. > > > * 2 - http://home.apache.org/phonebook.html?uid=billgraham > > > * 3 - http://home.apache.org/phonebook.html?uid=ashvin > > > * 4 - http://home.apache.org/phonebook.html?uid=supun > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > <javascript:;> > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > <javascript:;> > > > > > -- Sorry this was sent from mobile. Will do less grammar and spell check than usual.
