Hi all,

So are there any more comments, or should we start the vote?

Chris

Am 03.11.19, 11:17 schrieb "Julian Feinauer" <j.feina...@pragmaticminds.de>:

    Hi,
    
    it would of course be awesome to have JB on board.
    And indeed what JB suggests was the way I was also thinking of Streampipes 
and had a several discussions with Dominik already.
    
    Currently, Streampipes is some kind of mediator between several "external" 
engines running in different processes or even different nodes.
    But I would especially for edge applications highly welcome something which 
is more "edge" centered and designed to run in one process (which then brings 
us back to OSGi or Karaf or something in the long run).
    
    My idea would be to have this as some sort of subproject which shares 
things like a data model and other abstractions, so ideally we could peel out 
into a "shared" core (although Dominik already assumed it to be tons of work... 
__ ).
    
    Julian
    
    Am 02.11.19, 18:14 schrieb "Jean-Baptiste Onofré" <j...@nanthrax.net>:
    
        Thanks guys !
        
        I'm cloning the existing codebase to dig into a little ;)
        
        Regards
        JB
        
        On 02/11/2019 17:39, Christofer Dutz wrote:
        > Hi all,
        > 
        > I added him to the list.
        > 
        > Chris
        > 
        > Am 02.11.19, 11:53 schrieb "Dominik Riemer" <rie...@fzi.de>:
        > 
        >     Yes, it would be super cool to have you as a mentor, thanks!
        >     We'll update the list in the wiki.
        >     
        >     Dominik
        >     
        >     -----Original Message-----
        >     From: Jean-Baptiste Onofré <j...@nanthrax.net> 
        >     Sent: Friday, November 1, 2019 6:49 PM
        >     To: general@incubator.apache.org
        >     Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] StreamPipes proposal
        >     
        >     Hi Dominik,
        >     
        >     it's an interesting proposal !
        >     
        >     It sounds kind of integration platform for IoT protocols (a 
specialized platform compared to frameworks like Apache Camel or NiFi).
        >     
        >     I would be happy to be mentor on the podling if you want !
        >     
        >     Regards
        >     JB
        >     
        >     On 01/11/2019 16:51, Dominik Riemer wrote:
        >     > Hi all,
        >     > 
        >     > following up my previous mail, we would now like to start an 
open discussion on bringing StreamPipes to the Apache Incubator. StreamPipes is 
an open source self-service toolbox for analyzing (Industrial) IoT data 
streams. We are aware that one of our main challenges will be to diversify the 
developer base and we are willing (and look forward!) to work on that. 
        >     > 
        >     > The proposal can be found below and is also listed in the 
Incubator wiki: 
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/StreamPipesProposal, 
thanks @Chris Dutz for creating the page!
        >     > 
        >     > We appreciate anyone who would be willing to support us a an 
additional mentor!
        >     > 
        >     > 
        >     > Dominik
        >     > 
        >     > 
        >     > ----
        >     > StreamPipes Proposal
        >     > 
        >     > == Abstract ==
        >     > StreamPipes is a self-service (Industrial) IoT toolbox to 
enable non-technical users to connect, analyze and explore (Industrial) IoT 
data streams.
        >     > 
        >     > = Proposal =
        >     > 
        >     > The goal of StreamPipes (www.streampipes.org) is to provide an 
easy-to-use toolbox for non-technical users, e.g., domain experts, to exploit 
data streams coming from (Industrial) IoT devices. Such users are provided with 
an intuitive graphical user interface with the Pipeline Editor at its core. 
Users are able to graphically model processing pipelines based on data sources 
(streams), data processors and data sinks. Data processors and sinks are 
self-contained microservices, which implement either stateful or stateless 
processing logic (e.g., a trend detection or image classifier). Their 
processing logic is implemented using one of several provided wrappers (we 
currently have wrappers for standalone/Edge-based processing, Apache Flink, 
Siddhi and working wrapper prototypes for Apache Kafka Streams and Spark, in 
the future we also plan to integrate with Apache Beam). An SDK allows to easily 
create new pipeline elements. Pipeline elements can be installed at runtime. To 
support users in creating pipelines, an underlying semantics-based data model 
enables pipeline elements to express requirements on incoming data streams that 
need to be fulfilled, thus reducing modeling errors.
        >     > Data streams are integrated by using StreamPipes Connect, which 
allows to connect data sources (based on standard protocols, such as MQTT, 
Kafka, Pulsar, OPC-UA and further PLC4X-supported protocols) without further 
programming using a graphical wizard. Additional user-faced modules of 
StreamPipes are a Live dashboard to quickly explore IoT data streams and a 
wizard that generates code templates for new pipeline elements, a Pipeline 
Element Installer used to extend the algorithm feature set at runtime.
        >     > 
        >     > === Background ===
        >     > StreamPipes was started in 2014 by researchers from FZI 
Research Center for Information Technology in Karlsruhe, Germany. The original 
prototype was funded by an EU project centered around predictive analytics for 
the manufacturing domain. Since then, StreamPipes was constantly improved and 
extended by public funding mainly from federal German ministries. In early 
2018, the source code was officially released under the Apache License 2.0. At 
the same time, while we focused on bringing the research prototype to a 
production-grade tool, the first companies started to use StreamPipes. 
Currently, the primary goal is to widen the user and developer base. At 
ApacheCon NA 2019, after having talked to many people from the Apache 
Community, we finally decided that we would like to bring StreamPipes to the 
Apache Incubator.
        >     > 
        >     > === Rationale ===
        >     > The (Industrial) IoT domain is a highly relevant and emerging 
sector. Currently, IoT platforms are offered by many vendors ranging from SMEs 
up to large enterprises. We believe that open source alternatives are an 
important cornerstone for manufacturing companies to easily adopt data-driven 
decision making. From our point of view, StreamPipes fits very well into the 
existing (I)IoT ecosystem within the ASF, with projects such as Apache PLC4X 
focusing on connecting machine data from PLCs, or other tools we are also using 
either in the core of StreamPipes or with integrations (Apache Kafka, Apache 
IoTDB, Apache Pulsar). StreamPipes itself focuses on enabling self-service IoT 
data analytics for non-technical users.
        >     > The whole StreamPipes code is currently on Github. To get a 
rough estimate of the project size: 
        >     > * streampipes: Backend and core modules, ~3300 commits
        >     > * streampipes-ui: User Interface, ~1300 commits
        >     > * streampipes-pipeline-elements: ~100 Pipeline Elements (data 
        >     > processors/algorithms and sinks), ~500 Commits
        >     > * streampipes-connect-adapters: ~20 Adapters to connect data, 
~100 commits To achieve our goal to further extend the code base with new 
features, new connectors and new algorithms and to grow both the user and 
developer community, we believe that a community-driven development process is 
the best way to further develop StreamPipes. Finally, after having talked to 
committers from various Apache IoT-related projects and participation in 
spontaneous hacking sessions and being impressed by the collaboration among 
individual projects, we decided that (from our point of view) the ASF is the 
ideal place to be the future home of StreamPipes.
        >     > 
        >     > === Initial Goals ===
        >     > * Move the existing codebase to Apache
        >     > * Fully align with Apache development- and release processes
        >     > * Perform name search and do a thorough review of existing 
licenses
        >     > * First Apache release
        >     > 
        >     > === Current Status ===
        >     > ** Meritocracy **
        >     > We are absolutely committed to strengthen StreamPipes as a real 
community-driven open source project. The existing committer base is highly 
motivated to foster the open source way in the industrial IoT sector and, 
together with existing Apache communities focused on this domain, provide open 
source tooling for Industrial IoT projects in the same way Apache offers in the 
Big Data space, for instance.
        >     > The development philosophy behind StreamPipes has always 
followed the principles of meritocracy - although most committers are still 
active in the project, we managed to onboard new, committed developers 
regularly. 2 people, who are today core of the developer team, have joined 
during the past year. Therefore, we would aim to continuously expand the PMC 
and committer base based on merit. 
        >     > 
        >     > ** Community **
        >     > Since being open-sourced in 2018, the public interest in 
StreamPipes has steadily grown. Several companies, mainly from the 
manufacturing domain, have tested StreamPipes in form of proof-of-concept 
projects. First companies have started to use StreamPipes in production. This 
was due to a high number of events from meetups, research conferences, demo 
sessions up to hackathons we participated or organized during the past two 
years. After having generated a general interest in StreamPipes, our next focus 
will be to find more committers to diversify the contributor base.
        >     > 
        >     > ** Core Developers **
        >     > The core developers of the system are Dominik Riemer, Philipp 
Zehnder, Patrick Wiener and Johannes Tex. All core developers are initial 
committers in the current proposal. Some former students who recently started 
to work at companies and who have also worked on the project with great 
commitment, will be asked to further contribute to the project.  
        >     > 
        >     > ** Alignment **
        >     > StreamPipes has dependencies to a lot of existing Apache 
projects - this is one reason why we think that the ASF is the best future home 
for StreamPipes. The messaging layer is based on Apache Kafka (and also Apache 
Pulsar as a future option), and runtime wrappers exist for Apache Flink, Apache 
Spark and Apache Kafka Streams. StreamPipes Connect already includes adapters 
for several Apache projects. Most importantly, we integrate (and plan to deepen 
the integration) with IIoT-focused projects such as Apache PLC4X. Also, several 
data sinks exist to send messages to tools from other Apache projects (e.g., 
Apache Kafka, Apache Pulsar, and Apache IoTDB). Together with these tools (and 
also after having talked to the core developers after this year's ApacheCon) we 
are absolutely convinced that a tight integration between these tools will 
strengthen the open source IoT ecosystem.
        >     > 
        >     > === Known Risks ===
        >     > ** Orphaned Products **
        >     > We don't expect the risk of an orphaned product. The initial 
committers have worked on the project for years and are absolutely committed to 
making this open source tool a great success. All initial committers are 
committed to work on StreamPipes in their free time.
        >     > 
        >     > ** Inexperience with Open Source **
        >     > All initial committers have years of expertise related to open 
source development and understand what open source means. However, none of the 
initial committers are currently committers to Apache projects, although some 
have already contributed to some projects. From a variety of events and from 
intensively studying Apache mailing lists, we are sure that the Apache Way is 
the way we'd like the project to move into the future. We expect to benefit 
from the experiences from the ASF in building successful open source projects.
        >     > 
        >     > ** Length of Incubation **
        >     > We are aware that incubation is a process that is focused on 
building the community, learning the Apache Way and other important things such 
as learning the release process and handling licensing and trademark issues. We 
are also aware that, although there is a steadily increasing interest in 
StreamPipes, a major challenge we would need (and are willing) to work on 
during the incubation phase is widening the committer base. We look forward to 
that as a large developer base is exactly what we are striving for.
        >     > 
        >     > ** Homogeneous Developers **
        >     > Most current developers work for the same institution (FZI). 
The motivation of all developers goes beyond their commitment to work and all 
current committers work on StreamPipes in their free time. Recently, we have 
received first pull requests from external contributors and a growing interest 
from users and companies outside of FZI. First manufacturing companies have 
already evaluated and adopted StreamPipes. To attract external developers, 
we've created an extensive documentation, have a Slack channel to quickly 
answer questions, and provide help via mail. Therefore, we believe that making 
the developer community more heterogeneous is not only mandatory, but something 
that can be achieved during the next months.
        >     > 
        >     > ** Reliance on salaried developers **
        >     > Currently, StreamPipes receives support from salaried 
developers, mainly research scientists from FZI. However, all core developers 
substantially work on StreamPipes in their spare time. As this has been the 
case from the beginning in early 2014, it can be expected that a substantial 
portion of volunteers will continue to be working on the project and we aim at 
strengthening the base of non-paid committers and paid committers of other 
companies. At the same time, funding of the initial StreamPipes team is secured 
by public funding for the next few years, making sure that there will be also 
enough commitment from developers during their work time. 
        >     > 
        >     > ** Relationships with other Apache products ** StreamPipes is 
often 
        >     > compared to tools such as Node-Red and Apache Nifi. This is 
mainly based on a similar UI concept (dataflow approach). Despite some 
technological differences (e.g., the microservice analytics approach vs. 
single-host runtime of Node-Red, the wrapper architecture and the underlying 
semantics-based model), we believe the target audience differs. We aim to 
collaborate with the Apache Nifi community in terms of exchanging best 
practices and also integrating both projects (e.g., by building connectors).
        >     > As mentioned above, quite a few adapters and data sinks are 
already available that link to existing Apache projects.
        >     > 
        >     > ** An excessive fascination with the Apache Brand ** Although 
we 
        >     > recognize the Apache brand as the most visible brand in the 
open source domain, the primary goal of this proposal is not to create 
publicity, but to widen the developer base. We believe that successful projects 
have broad and diverse communities. We expect that an Apache project, with a 
clear and proven way to develop open source software, helps in finding new 
committers. As the core development team has already worked on StreamPipes for 
the past few years and is fully committed to the software and its benefit for 
the industrial IoT domain, we would also continue development without being an 
Apache project.
        >     > 
        >     > === Documentation ===
        >     > Currently, we host a website at https://www.streampipes.org 
More technical info (user + developer guide) can be found in the documentation: 
https://docs.streampipes.org, where users can find tutorials and manuals on how 
to extend StreamPipes using the SDK.
        >     > 
        >     > === Initial Source ===
        >     > Currently, the following Github repositories exist, all 
licensed under the Apache Software License 2.0:
        >     > * streampipes (https://www.github.com/streampipes/streampipes, 
the 
        >     > backend & pipeline management module)
        >     > * streampipes-ui 
(https://www.github.com/streampipes/streampipes-ui, 
        >     > the UI module)
        >     > * streampipes-pipeline-elements 
        >     > 
(https://www.github.com/streampipes/streampipes-pipeline-elements, 
        >     > library of data processors and sinks)
        >     > * streampipes-connect-adapters 
        >     > 
(https://www.github.com/streampipes/streampipes-connect-adapters, 
        >     > StreamPipes connect adapters)
        >     > * streampipes-docs 
        >     > (https://www.github.com/streampipes/streampipes-docs, the 
        >     > abovementioned documentation)
        >     > 
        >     > === Source and intellectual property submission plan === All 
initial committers will sign a ICLA with the ASF. FZI, as the organizational 
body that has employed the main contributors of StreamPipes, will sign a CCLA 
and donate the codebase to the ASF (both subject to formal approval). All major 
contributors are still active in the project.
        >     > 
        >     > === External Dependencies ===
        >     > We did an initial review of all dependencies used in the 
various projects. No critical libraries that depend on category X licenses were 
found, some minor issues have already been resolved (e.g., removing 
dependencies to org.json libraries). Most external dependencies used by the 
Java-based (backend, pipeline-elements and connect) modules are licensed under 
the Apache License 2.0, whereas some licenses are Cat B (e.g., CDDL). Most 
external dependencies the UI requires on are licensed under the MIT license. 
        >     > Once we are moving to the Incubator, we would do a complete 
check of all transitive dependencies. We don't expect any surprises here.
        >     > 
        >     > === Cryptography ===
        >     > (not applicable)
        >     > 
        >     > === Required Resources ===
        >     > 
        >     > ** Mailing Lists **
        >     > We plan to use the following mailing lists:
        >     > * us...@streampipes.incubator.apache.org
        >     > * d...@streampipes.incubator.apache.org
        >     > * priv...@streampipes.incubator.apache.org
        >     > * comm...@streampipes.incubator.apache.org
        >     > As StreamPipes is targeted to a non-technical audience, we see 
a dedicated user mailing list as an important requirement to help users.
        >     > 
        >     > ** Subversion directory **
        >     > (not applicable)
        >     > 
        >     > ** Git repositories **
        >     > We would like to use Git for source code management and enable 
Github mirroring functionality.
        >     > 
        >     > As we plan to merge some of the repos described above to 
simplify the release process we ask to create the following source repositories:
        >     > * streampipes (containing backend + UI)
        >     > * streampipes-extensions (containing modules that can be 
dynamically 
        >     > installed at runtime: pipeline elements and connect adapters)
        >     > * streampipes-website (containing docs + website)
        >     > 
        >     > ** Issue tracking **
        >     > JIRA ID: StreamPipes
        >     > 
        >     > === Initial Committers ===
        >     > List of initial committers in alphabetical order:
        >     > * Christofer Dutz (christofer.dutz at c-ware dot de)
        >     > * Dominik Riemer (dominik dot riemer at gmail dot com)
        >     > * Johannes Tex (tex at fzi dot de)
        >     > * Patrick Wiener (wiener at fzi dot de)
        >     > * Philipp Zehnder (zehnder at fzi dot de)
        >     > 
        >     > === Sponsors ===
        >     > 
        >     > ** Champion **
        >     > * Christofer Dutz (christofer.dutz at c-ware dot de)
        >     > 
        >     > ** Mentors **
        >     > * Christofer Dutz (christofer.dutz at c-ware dot de)
        >     > * Julian Feinauer (Jfeinauer at apache dot org)
        >     > * Kenneth Knowles (kenn at apache dot org)
        >     > * Justin Mclean (justin at classsoftware dot com)
        >     > 
        >     > ** Sponsoring Entity **
        >     > The Apache Incubator
        >     > 
        >     > 
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