On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 at 14:35, Matt Casters <matt.cast...@neo4j.com.invalid> wrote: > > We're simply following the advice given here and by our mentors. We didn't > send an announcement mail in the beginning and then we did based on your > valuable feedback. If we need to copy the announcement of our releases to > other mailing lists we can easily do so.
It is important to let users and developers know as well. They may not be subscribed to the general announce list. BTW, for the developer Hop list, a more detailed email may be appropriate. Also you have not addressed the issue of the non-ASF committer. I suspect there will be some issues with setting up the PMC if this is not fixed. > > > > On Fri, Nov 26, 2021 at 3:05 PM sebb <seb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 at 12:06, Matt Casters > > <matt.cast...@neo4j.com.invalid> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Sebb, > > > > > > Google found the announcement mails, for example [1] and [2]. > > > > Not sure how I missed those. > > However, AFAICT they were not announced on general@incubator nor on > > any of the podling lists. > > > > > As for Ricardo: he is indeed not a committer (yet) but an advisor to the > > > project. His insights as an educator have been very valuable and is in > > the > > > process of becoming a committer. Our mentor Julian informed us that > > (and I > > > quote) "There’s no rule that the initial PMC can consist only of people > > who > > > were committers in the podling". > > > > That is rather different from including people who are not yet ASF > > committers. > > > > AFAIK, most of the Infra and Whimsy tooling assumes that PMC members > > have ASF ids. > > > > > All the best, > > > Matt > > > > > > [1] > > > > > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-announce/202108.mbox/%3cpony-5f4f7c3ea0e95da19b9d17390cc7ff00d42fdf75-9ff3db74f16d3e6f41d2f3ab4f35ecde94c43...@announce.apache.org%3E > > > [2] > > > > > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-announce/202110.mbox/%3cpony-5f4f7c3ea0e95da19b9d17390cc7ff00d42fdf75-03d88d76819f10519156908b4369a9b7e1979...@announce.apache.org%3E > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 26, 2021 at 12:41 PM sebb <seb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 at 07:15, Bart Maertens <bart.maert...@know.bi> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > > > After a discussion[1] with and vote by[2] the Hop community, we > > believe > > > > > Apache Hop (Incubating) is ready > > > > > to graduate as a TLP, and we'd like to bring it up in discussion > > with the > > > > > IPMC. > > > > > > > > > > The Hop community achievements since Hop joined the Incubator in > > > > September > > > > > 2020: > > > > > - close to 3200 commits by 28 contributors > > > > > - 4 releases(0.60, 0.70, 0.99, 1.0) > > > > > > > > However, it looks like none of these releases was ever announced. > > > > > > > > I could not find announce emails on: > > > > general@incubator.a.o > > > > *@hop.a.o > > > > announce@apache.o > > > > > > > > Announcements are an important part of releases, so I would expect to > > > > find some examples. > > > > > > > > > - 5 mentors, 6 PPMC members(mentors excluded) and 8 > > committers(mentors > > > > and > > > > > PPMC members excluded) > > > > > - diverse committers and PPMC, with regular contributions from at > > least 5 > > > > > different companies/institutes > > > > > - Apache Hop website[3] > > > > > - dev conversations at d...@hop.apache.org > > > > > - assessed ourselves against the Apache Project maturity matrix[4] > > and > > > > > didn't find any issues. > > > > > > > > > > The topics that were discussed in the earlier [DISCUSS] thread[5] > > have > > > > been > > > > > resolved: > > > > > - old releases have been cleaned up > > > > > - self-assessment is available[4] > > > > > - Whimsy licensing issue is WiP (licensing is ok, the missing yaml > > file > > > > was > > > > > added) > > > > > - project description in the resolution was rewritten > > > > > - an old pre-incubator website was removed[6] > > > > > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > > > > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/reab316256de8b7d8a8e2c73dbc412ca82a3f7c17243163061f848f9c%40%3Cdev.hop.apache.org%3E > > > > > [2] https://lists.apache.org/thread/s8vg1nh1g707s4hhcxjtg1zdccjpjh2k > > > > > [3] https://hop.incubator.apache.org/ > > > > > [4] https://hop.apache.org/community/incubator/ > > > > > [5] https://lists.apache.org/thread/jj46blkwrhf0l31srtzo5j5dcv7zsqz3 > > > > > [6] http://52.214.20.244 > > > > > > > > > > Please see the proposed board resolution below and let us know what > > you > > > > > think. > > > > > > > > > > The discussion will remain open for at least 72 hours. > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > Establish the Apache Hop Project > > > > > > > > > > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests > > of > > > > > the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to > > establish > > > > > a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and > > maintenance > > > > > of open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public, > > > > > related to a platform for data orchestration. > > > > > > > > > > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee > > > > > (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Hop Project", be and hereby is > > > > > established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further > > > > > > > > > > RESOLVED, that the Apache Hop Project be and hereby is responsible > > for > > > > > the creation and maintenance of software related to A platform for > > data > > > > > > > > s/A/a/ ? > > > > > > > > > orchestration.; and be it further > > > > > > > > > > RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Hop" be and > > hereby > > > > > is created, the person holding such office to serve at the direction > > of > > > > > the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache Hop Project, and to > > > > > have primary responsibility for management of the projects within the > > > > > scope of responsibility of the Apache Hop Project; and be it further > > > > > > > > > > RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are > > > > > appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache Hop Project: > > > > > > > > > > * Bart Maertens <bartmaer @apache.org> > > > > > * Brandon Jackson <usbrandon @apache.org> > > > > > * Dave Campen <dcampen @apache.org> > > > > > * Francois Papon <fpapon @apache.org> > > > > > * Hans Van Akelyen <hansva @apache.org> > > > > > * Julian Hyde <jhyde @apache.org> > > > > > * Kevin Ratnasekera <djkevincr @apache.org> > > > > > * Matt Casters <mcasters @apache.org> > > > > > * Nicolas Adment <nadment @apache.org> > > > > > * Ricardo Gouvea <rica...@openin.com.br> > > > > > > > > Only apache.org addresses are normally allowed here. > > > > > > > > > * Sergio Ramazzina <sramazzina @apache.org> > > > > > > > > > > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Hans Van Akelyen be > > > > > appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache Hop, to serve in > > > > > accordance with and subject to the direction of the Board of > > Directors > > > > > and the Bylaws of the Foundation until death, resignation, > > retirement, > > > > > removal or disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and > > be > > > > > it further > > > > > > > > > > RESOLVED, that the Apache Hop Project be and hereby is tasked with > > the > > > > > migration and rationalization of the Apache Incubator Hop podling; > > and > > > > > be it further > > > > > > > > > > RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache > > Incubator > > > > > Hop podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator PMC are hereafter > > > > > discharged. > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Neo4j Chief Solutions Architect > > > *✉ *matt.cast...@neo4j.com > > > > > -- > Neo4j Chief Solutions Architect > *✉ *matt.cast...@neo4j.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
