I agree we don't need to hold the Tuweni graduation for the release checking. But if we want to build a sustainable Open Source project, we still need to pay lots of attention to community building.
Willem Jiang Twitter: willemjiang Weibo: 姜宁willem On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 9:24 AM Antoine Toulme <anto...@toulme.name> wrote: > > Hello folks, > > Apache Tuweni had a much smaller community when it started its incubation at > Apache. The path of this project has been impacted by the domain it applies > to and the pandemic certainly hasn't helped. Still it has managed to create > enough momentum to make regular releases and check off all incubation checks. > Community building is definitely still on the menu - right now and later as > well. We will continue building and including folks. We have onboarded > successfully multiple committers and have received contributions. I expect > this trend to continue and mature. > > The question is whether the best place for us to continue growing is the > incubator. The incubator adds additional checks on our releases and slows > down our cycles, which has historically driven folks to fork and move away > from the project. > > The incubator doesn't offer opportunities for community building, from what I > know. We will need to continue to build our image and presence to attract > contributors on our own. > > The project mentors have been nothing short of fantastic. They have been > helpful in maturing the project. In my opinion, we are using their precious > time when they should be engaged in helping other projects of the incubator. > > With this, I want to thank the incubator. We had a great experience building > with you all. I personally believe we should free the incubator's time and > attention to concentrate on other projects. I also believe the project is > mature enough to function outside of the incubator. > > I vote +1 to graduate Tuweni from the incubator. > > Thanks, > > Antoine > > > On Dec 7, 2022, at 3:37 PM, larry mccay <lmc...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > We have also recently seen long term incubating projects with considerable > > adoption falter. > > I consider the fact that they did not graduate early enough a contributing > > factor here. > > > > Nothing wrong with incubation but staying in the incubator and encountering > > attrition is different from TLP > > with some churn with new folks coming into an official TLP project while > > others can fall off in a healthy way. > > > > Again, having the community test and release 14 separate releases > > demonstrates contributors in the community > > even if they aren't all materially contributing code. > > > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 3:45 AM Christofer Dutz <christofer.d...@c-ware.de> > > wrote: > > > >> Hi all, > >> > >> And in the last few months the ASF has sadly seen enough cases, in which > >> even big projects suffered from the lack of diversity. > >> So, I would also consider this to be a blocker. > >> > >> Community building isn’t something that happens or comes for free. > >> It’s actually hard work, but it needs to be done. > >> > >> Just my opinion on this topic. > >> > >> Chris > >> > >> From: Willem Jiang <willem.ji...@gmail.com> > >> Date: Wednesday, 7. December 2022 at 02:59 > >> To: general@incubator.apache.org <general@incubator.apache.org> > >> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache Tuweni graduation > >> It looks like we need a dedicated community leader[1] to build a > >> diverse community (just borrow a pattern from InnerSource Common[2]). > >> > >> " Communication takes up a significant percentage of a community > >> leader's daily work. At the same time, he or she will likely also have > >> to spearhead the initial development, too. In the face of limited > >> capacity, inexperienced leaders will tend to focus on development and > >> neglect communication. The barrier for potential contributors to make > >> their first contribution and to commit to the community will be much > >> higher if the community leader is hard to reach or is slow to respond > >> to feedback and questions for lack of time." > >> > >> [1] > >> https://github.com/InnerSourceCommons/InnerSourcePatterns/blob/main/patterns/2-structured/dedicated-community-leader.md#forces > >> [2]https://innersourcecommons.org/ > >> > >> Willem Jiang > >> > >> Twitter: willemjiang > >> Weibo: 姜宁willem > >> > >> On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 9:51 AM larry mccay <lmc...@apache.org> wrote: > >>> > >>> I'm not so sure that I see this as a blocker for graduation. > >>> There was enough consensus and testing to spin and publish 14 releases. > >>> There has been healthy conversation about this very topic among the > >> mentors > >>> and contributors on the private list. > >>> > >>> The nature of this project is that the consumption of these libraries are > >>> going to get less traction while in incubation and a community may grow > >>> larger as a TLP as confidence is instilled by that status. > >>> > >>> The Tuweni community has demonstrated the ability to publish releases > >>> within that Apache Way and guidelines, has welcomed new contributors, > >> etc. > >>> The long term success will require a larger active community but I don't > >>> think that needs to block graduation as the incubation goals have been > >> met. > >>> > >>> My 2 cents. > >>> > >>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 7:41 PM Willem Jiang <willem.ji...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>>> I agree with Gang Li. The Bus factor[1] of this project is relatively > >> high. > >>>> > >>>> [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor > >>>> > >>>> Willem Jiang > >>>> > >>>> Twitter: willemjiang > >>>> Weibo: 姜宁willem > >>>> > >>>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 11:06 PM li gang <lgcar...@apache.org> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> I checked the contributions of the Tuweni project[1],the traffic of > >> the > >>>>> mail list d...@tuweni.apache.org[2] and the KEYS[3]. > >>>>> > >>>>> It looks like the project is mainly maintained by Antoine Toulme > >> self, > >>>>> I have a concern this is not comply with the diversity. > >>>>> > >>>>> [1]https://github.com/apache/incubator-tuweni/graphs/contributors > >>>>> [2]https://lists.apache.org/list?d...@tuweni.apache.org > >>>>> [3]https://downloads.apache.org/incubator/tuweni/KEYS > >>>>> > >>>>> Antoine Toulme <toulm...@apache.org> 于2022年12月5日周一 15:14写道： > >>>>> > >>>>>> Dear Apache Incubator Community and IPMC members, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> We discussed the graduation for Tuweni in the Apache Incubator > >>>>>> Community [4], where no issues were raised and positive replies > >> were > >>>>>> received. > >>>>>> After having the graduation discussion in the Tuweni community > >> [1], we > >>>>>> have passed the vote within Tuweni community [2] and the vote > >> result > >>>>>> was published [3]. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I would like to start this voting thread to request graduating > >> Apache > >>>>>> Tuweni(incubating) from Apache Incubator as a Top Level Project. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Please provide your vote accordingly: > >>>>>> [ ] +1 Yes, I support Tuweni project to graduate from the Apache > >>>> Incubator. > >>>>>> [ ] +0 No opinion. > >>>>>> [ ] -1 No, the Tuweni project is not ready to graduate, because... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Thank you for participating in the vote. This vote will stay open > >> for > >>>> at > >>>>>> least 72 hours. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Here is an overview of the Apache Tuweni(incubating) to help with > >> the > >>>>>> vote. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> *Community* > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ● The PPMC is active, with PMC members voting for graduation along > >> with > >>>>>> mentors. > >>>>>> ● 6 new committers were added, bringing the total number of > >> committers > >>>> to > >>>>>> 14 from 12 different > >>>>>> organizations. > >>>>>> ● The number of contributors is now 25 and growing. > >>>>>> ● The dev@Tuweni mailing list currently has 33 subscribers [4]. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> *Project* > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ● Apache Tuweni (incubating) is a set of libraries and other tools > >> to > >>>> aid > >>>>>> development of blockchain and other decentralized software in > >> Java and > >>>>>> other JVM languages. It includes a low-level bytes library, > >>>> serialization > >>>>>> and deserialization codecs (e.g. RLP), various cryptography > >> functions > >>>> and > >>>>>> primitives, and lots of other helpful utilities. Tuweni is > >> developed > >>>> for > >>>>>> JDK 11 or higher. > >>>>>> ● Project maturity model and incubation status is detailed in [5] > >>>>>> ● Tuweni has been incubating [5] since 2019-02-25 for over 45 > >>>>>> months. > >>>>>> ● Tuweni community released a total of 14 Apache releases [6]. > >>>>>> ● 331 pull requests created closed [7]. > >>>>>> ● 76 issues created, and 46 issues closed [8]. > >>>>>> ● The release cadence is about 3 months. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> *Brand, License, and Copyright* > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ● We submitted an application for the brand [9] and it has been > >>>>>> reviewed and approved. > >>>>>> ● Tuweni community maintains project code on GitHub and all modules > >>>>>> code is under Apache 2.0 license. We have reviewed all the > >>>>>> dependencies and ensured they do not bring any license issues [10]. > >>>>>> All the status files, license headers, and copyright are up to > >> date. > >>>>>> ● Tuweni official website [11] is compliant with Apache Foundation > >>>>>> requirements [12]. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> [1] > >> https://lists.apache.org/thread/z3flpmqcss21xc8vmtwqqfs961p4g9t5 > >>>>>> [2] > >> https://lists.apache.org/thread/c04cmvfwh1wt2mxmc9zo89o6bnhm2xqk > >>>>>> [3] > >> https://lists.apache.org/thread/8m4lq3k1v93m1k482syj7kn1ldb62665 > >>>>>> [4] https://lists.apache.org/list.html?d...@tuweni.apache.org > >>>>>> [5] https://incubator.apache.org/projects/tuweni.html > >>>>>> [6] https://github.com/apache/incubator-tuweni/releases > >>>>>> [7] https://github.com/apache/incubator-tuweni/pulls > >>>>>> [8] https://github.com/apache/incubator-tuweni/issues > >>>>>> [9] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-167 > >>>>>> [10] https://github.com/apache/incubator-tuweni/blob/main/LICENSE > >>>>>> [11] https://tuweni.apache.org > >>>>>> [12] https://whimsy.apache.org/pods/project/tuweni > >>>>>> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ------------------------------ > >>>>> Best Regards > >>>>> > >>>>> DolphinScheduler PMC > >>>>> Gang Li 李岗 > >>>>> > >>>>> lgcar...@apache.org > >>>> > >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >>>> > >>>> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
