Hi Jochen,

Thanks for your input! This is valuable and I'm glad to see that Maka
attracts more attention.

> But tison, you have to be aware that many processed will be slower than
now.

Bringing this message to the proposed PPMC :D

But actually I believe that the Incubator won't stop the software from
rapid development. It checks formal releases and asks a formal process for
consensus, but users can still test release candidates, under the
disclaimer that it's yet to be an ASF release.

The incubator should not inherit the reputation that it would slow down an
OSS project.

Best,
tison.


Jochen Theodorou <[email protected]> 于2026年8月10日周一 21:45写道:

> Hi,
>
>
> I personally like the idea. Afaik most Apache projects in that area
> concentrate on the backend. There is no desktop, no human-in-the-loop,
> no accessing local files in those projects (please take the no not too
> directly, there may be ways to still do it, but they seem not to be the
> intended way of usage). I think that would be an addition to the Apache
> ecosystem.
>
> About the current development mode:
> I actually did subscribe to the project on github for a bit and got
> bombarded with mails. Reading through all of them is a fulltime job. I
> also noticed that many mails come in a really short time frame. I see
> then suddenly 3 mails in 3 minutes, with a reading time well beyond 3
> minutes from the same contributor. Which means this was an AI generated
> message. Marking those would probably help, because automatically
> writing them in github under a normal developer name surely does not,
> especially if that is the project leader and you expect something human.
> I also noticed that there seems to be a workflow in which a PR is
> opened, marked as ready for review and then just merged right away. Not
> that I would say that this is bad, but only judging from the PRs you
> cannot follow development well, because there is no public discussion.
>
> I think that are all points that can be worked on though. But tison, you
> have to be aware that many processed will be slower than now. There will
> be more discussion, more justifying, more community building. I get that
> you want the later, but it comes with the former as well.
>
> non binding +1 from me
>
> bye Jochen
>
>
> On 8/5/26 07:49, tison wrote:
> > Hi IPMC,
> >
> > I would like to propose Maka[1] as a new apache incubator project, you
> can
> > find the proposal[2] of Maka for more detail.
> >
> > [1] https://github.com/maka-agent/maka-agent/
> > [2]
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/spaces/INCUBATOR/pages/446070971/Maka+Proposal
> >
> > Best,
> > tison.
> >
> > Full text of the proposal below:
> >
> > ## Abstract
> >
> > Maka is a local-first AI agent runtime and workspace. It records model
> > messages, tool calls, tool results, permission decisions, and termination
> > events in append-only logs. Sessions, model context, durable tasks, and
> > recovery are derived from those logs, allowing interrupted or
> long-running
> > agent work to be inspected, replayed, resumed, and evaluated.
> >
> > ## Proposal
> >
> > Maka provides a single execution runtime shared by its desktop
> application,
> > terminal TUI, non-interactive CLI, and headless task runner. Its design
> > separates durable execution facts from the temporary context sent to a
> > model.
> >
> > Maka provides:
> >
> > - Append-only execution records. Model messages, tool calls, tool
> results,
> > permission decisions, and termination events are persisted before they
> are
> > projected into user-facing state.
> > - Rebuildable state. Sessions, active context, UI state, and recovery
> > decisions are derived from the event log rather than maintained as
> > independent sources of truth.
> > - Context management without history deletion. Tool-result pruning and
> LLM
> > compaction reduce the context used for the next inference while
> preserving
> > the original execution record.
> > - Durable work beyond one turn. The headless runner gives a task its own
> > identity, event log, budgets, permission pauses, continuation, and resume
> > behavior.
> > - Evidence-based completion. The runtime records a model's completion
> claim
> > separately from verified process and tool outcomes.
> > - Multiple surfaces over one runtime. Maka provides an Electron desktop
> > application, a terminal TUI, a non-interactive CLI, and a headless
> runner.
> >
> > Maka is written primarily in TypeScript and runs on Node.js. Sessions,
> > settings, credentials, and run records remain on the user's machine by
> > default.
> >
> > ## Background
> >
> > An AI agent combines an LLM with tools, permissions, persistent state,
> and
> > a control loop. As tasks become longer, the surrounding runtime must
> handle
> > partial tool execution, context limits, process interruption, permission
> > boundaries, and recovery. Maka focuses on this runtime layer. The public
> > GitHub project was created on 2026-05-27 and has been developed through
> > public issues and pull requests since then.
> >
> > ## Rationale
> >
> > Many agent applications persist a final conversation but not the full
> > execution process that produced it. This makes interrupted work difficult
> > to recover and tool behavior difficult to audit or evaluate. Maka treats
> > execution history as durable evidence and uses that evidence to rebuild
> > state and resume work.
> >
> > The ASF offers neutral ownership, public decision-making, meritocratic
> > community growth, and long-term stewardship. These properties are
> important
> > for an agent runtime intended to support integrations and products
> > maintained by independent organizations.
> >
> > ## Initial Goals
> >
> > - Transfer the codebase to the ASF and complete name, provenance,
> license,
> > and IP clearance.
> > - Conduct technical and governance decisions on the public mailing list.
> > - Document a contributor-to-committer path based on sustained, reviewable
> > contributions.
> > - Broaden ownership across runtime, desktop, integrations, documentation,
> > and release engineering.
> > - Produce an Apache-compliant source release and establish a repeatable
> > release process.
> > - Grow adoption without coupling the project to a single model vendor or
> > commercial sponsor.
> >
> > ## Current Status
> >
> > ### Meritocracy
> >
> > Development takes place through public issues and pull requests.
> > Contributions are reviewed on technical merit, and repeat contributors
> have
> > taken responsibility for runtime, desktop, computer-use, provider, and
> > documentation work. During incubation, the project will make this
> > progression explicit through documented committer criteria and public
> > discussion.
> >
> > ### Community
> >
> > As of 2026-08-03, the repository has 1,104 GitHub stars, 123 forks, and
> 40
> > contributors. In the preceding 30 days, 34 authors contributed commits.
> > Collaboration currently takes place through GitHub issues and pull
> > requests; during incubation, project-wide decisions will move to the
> public
> > development mailing list.
> >
> > ### Core Developers
> >
> > - Jie Wen (jackwener) — project initiator; runtime architecture and
> > distributed-systems design. He is a PMC member and committer of Apache
> > Arrow, Apache DataFusion, and Apache Doris.
> > - Yuhan Lei (Astro-Han) — runtime, evaluation, benchmarking, and desktop
> > development; also an OpenCLI contributor.
> > - Kun Li (likun666661) — runtime event-log architecture, the headless
> task
> > loop, and completion verification.
> >
> > Additional module owners and repeat contributors include Haoqing Wang
> > (hqhq1025, computer-use), Zhanghan Gao (YayoiNanoka), sunheyi6, Nyvo-io,
> > Yongtao Wang (M4n5ter), Colafornia, GabrielDrapor, MicroGery, zhiiw, and
> > others.
> >
> > ### Alignment
> >
> > Maka is intended to be a vendor-neutral runtime used below model
> providers
> > and end-user applications. ASF governance can keep its interfaces,
> > execution records, and extension points independent of any single vendor.
> > The project also shares engineering concerns with ASF data and
> > infrastructure projects, including append-only logs, projections, durable
> > state, and reproducible execution.
> >
> > ## Known Risks
> >
> > ### Project Name
> >
> > A preliminary web and repository search found unrelated uses of "Maka,"
> > including a Chinese design and marketing service and several small
> > open-source projects. None appears to provide the same developer-facing
> AI
> > agent runtime, but this preliminary search is not a substitute for the
> ASF
> > name review. The podling will complete `PODLINGNAMESEARCH` during
> > incubation and will rename the project if required by ASF policy.
> >
> > ### Orphan Products
> >
> > The project is young, so long-term continuity has not yet been
> > demonstrated. The risk is reduced by multiple active maintainers and
> > contributors who already own runtime, desktop, headless, and computer-use
> > components. Incubation will focus on documenting these ownership
> > boundaries, adding committers, and making release knowledge shared rather
> > than person-specific.
> >
> > ### Inexperience with Open Source
> >
> > One initial committer is a PMC member and committer of Apache Arrow,
> Apache
> > DataFusion, and Apache Doris. Several other developers have experience
> > contributing to open-source projects. Most of the proposed community has
> > not yet operated an Apache release or conducted project business on an
> ASF
> > mailing list. The mentors will help the podling establish release,
> voting,
> > IP, and community practices, and those practices will be documented so
> they
> > do not depend on one experienced committer.
> >
> > ### Length of Incubation
> >
> > The project has no fixed graduation deadline. The initial expectation is
> > approximately two years, but graduation will depend on a sustainable and
> > diverse committer base, public governance, shared release ownership, and
> > multiple Apache-compliant releases.
> >
> > ### Homogenous Developers
> >
> > The initial committers currently share overlapping social and
> professional
> > networks, and much real-time coordination occurs in Chinese. They
> > nevertheless represent multiple employers, a university, and independent
> > contributors. The project will conduct decisions and votes in English on
> > the public development mailing list, improve English documentation, and
> > recruit contributors outside the current networks.
> >
> > ### Reliance on Salaried Developers
> >
> > The initial committers represent several employers, a university, and
> > individual contributors; they are not all paid by one organization. Paid
> > work may nevertheless influence where some contributors spend their time.
> > The podling will track affiliation diversity and broaden the committer
> base
> > so development and releases do not depend on one employer or a small
> group.
> >
> > ### Relationships with Other Apache Products
> >
> > Maka does not duplicate an existing ASF product. It operates at the AI
> > agent runtime layer, while sharing concepts with Apache data and
> > infrastructure projects such as append-only logs, projections, and
> durable
> > state. Future integrations may expose ASF storage, data-processing, and
> > observability systems as tools or backends, but no such integration is
> > required for incubation.
> >
> > ### An Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand
> >
> > The project seeks neutral governance, public decision-making, a
> > meritocratic committer model, and long-term stewardship. The initial
> goals
> > focus on community and release practices rather than promotion under the
> > Apache name.
> >
> > ## Documentation
> >
> > - Repository and README: [
> >
> https://github.com/maka-agent/maka-agent](https://github.com/maka-agent/maka-agent)
> > - Documentation index: [docs/README.md](
> > https://github.com/maka-agent/maka-agent/blob/main/docs/README.md)
> > - Architecture guide: [ARCHITECTURE.md](
> > https://github.com/maka-agent/maka-agent/blob/main/ARCHITECTURE.md),
> with
> > an eight-chapter index and bilingual English/Chinese chapters under
> > [docs/architecture/](
> > https://github.com/maka-agent/maka-agent/tree/main/docs/architecture).
> > - Additional design and verification documents cover computer-use safety,
> > execution evidence, durable workspaces, permissions, skills, and
> evaluation.
> >
> > ## Initial Source
> >
> > The source is currently hosted at [
> >
> https://github.com/maka-agent/maka-agent](https://github.com/maka-agent/maka-agent)
> .
> > The public repository was created on 2026-05-27 and is licensed under the
> > Apache License, Version 2.0. If the proposal is accepted, the repository
> > will move to [
> >
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-maka](https://github.com/apache/incubator-maka)
> .
> > A future project website will use [https://maka.apache.org](
> > https://maka.apache.org).
> >
> > ## Source and Intellectual Property Submission Plan
> >
> > The existing source is licensed under the Apache License, Version 2.0.
> > Before or during code transfer, the podling will:
> >
> > - Obtain ICLAs from all initial committers and determine with the
> Incubator
> > PMC whether a Software Grant or CCLA is required for any contributed
> code.
> > - Verify the provenance of the initial codebase and identify code owned
> by
> > contributors or their employers.
> > - Bring source headers, `LICENSE`, and `NOTICE` files into line with ASF
> > policy.
> > - Remove, replace, or relicense any code or asset that cannot be
> > contributed to the ASF.
> > - Re-run dependency and assembled-artifact license audits before the
> first
> > Apache release.
> >
> > ### External Dependencies
> >
> > Maka is a TypeScript monorepo. Most of the runtime is implemented in
> Maka's
> > own workspace packages; the repository currently has 33 direct
> third-party
> > production dependencies. The full transitive closure is larger and is
> > generated from `package-lock.json` for each release rather than
> maintained
> > by hand in this proposal.
> >
> > The dependencies fall into five groups:
> >
> > - Runtime and user interfaces. Node.js (currently 22.19 or later) runs
> the
> > shared runtime, CLI, and headless surfaces. Electron/Chromium hosts the
> > desktop application. React and Astryx provide the desktop UI, while
> > `@earendil-works/pi-tui` provides the terminal TUI. The CLI and headless
> > runner do not require Electron or React.
> > - Model access. The Apache-2.0 Vercel `ai` SDK and its Anthropic, Cohere,
> > Google, OpenAI, and OpenAI-compatible adapters normalize model-provider
> > protocols. Maka does not require a particular commercial model service
> or a
> > Maka-operated control plane. A user may configure a remote provider or a
> > local compatible endpoint; credentials remain local and are not part of
> any
> > release.
> > - Agent protocols and local execution. `@modelcontextprotocol/sdk`
> > implements MCP interoperability. `node-pty` and the headless xterm
> packages
> > provide interactive shell sessions and terminal emulation,
> > `fs-native-extensions` provides cross-process file locking, and
> > `@jackwener/opencli` provides browser automation over CDP. Smaller
> > libraries such as `undici`, `ws`, `yaml`, and `zod` handle networking,
> > configuration, and validation.
> > - Optional integrations. Slack, Lark/Feishu, and WeCom SDKs are used only
> > when the user enables the corresponding bot channel. These services are
> > integrations, not infrastructure required to build or start Maka.
> > - Build and test tooling. TypeScript, esbuild, Vite, Electron Builder,
> > Playwright, Storybook, and Tailwind CSS build and test the project; Biome
> > provides linting and formatting. These tools are not loaded by the CLI or
> > headless runtime. Build outputs that enter a binary release are covered
> by
> > the release audit described below.
> >
> > #### License and Release Treatment
> >
> > On 2026-08-03, this inventory was regenerated and verified after `npm ci`
> > in a clean checkout. The result matches the checked-in file and records
> 239
> > production npm packages: 180 MIT, 21 Apache-2.0, 19 ISC, 15
> BSD-3-Clause, 2
> > BSD-2-Clause, 1 Python-2.0, and 1 BlueOak-1.0.0. These are ASF Category A
> > licenses, and that inventory records no Category X dependency.
> >
> > Generated npm inventory (exact `package@version`, grouped by selected
> > license)
> >
> > The following list is generated from the exact `@maka/desktop` production
> > dependency closure in `package-lock.json` by
> > `scripts/generate-third-party-notices.mjs`:
> >
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> >    - `@astryxdesign/[email protected]`
> >    - `@colors/[email protected]`
> >    - `@formatjs/[email protected]`
> >    - `@formatjs/[email protected]`
> >    - `@formatjs/[email protected]`
> >    - `@hono/[email protected]`
> >    - `@larksuiteoapi/[email protected]`
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> >    - `[email protected]`
> >
> > This inventory is enforced by `scripts/generate-third-party-notices.mjs`.
> > The script walks the exact desktop production closure, rejects missing or
> > unapproved license metadata, records the selected license for
> dual-licensed
> > packages, and generates the complete license text shipped as
> > `THIRD_PARTY_NOTICES.txt`. The source distribution does not vendor
> > `node_modules`. Binary distributions carry separate notices for the npm
> > closure, Electron/Chromium, fonts, and icon assets.
> >
> > Build-only dependencies
> >
> > `lightningcss` (MPL-2.0) and `caniuse-lite` (CC-BY-4.0) are used only to
> > build the desktop application. They are not redistributed as components
> of
> > Maka.
> >
> > Optional macOS dependency
> >
> > The optional macOS computer-use backend uses `cua-driver`, which is based
> > on the MIT-licensed `trycua/cua` project. The `cua-driver` executable and
> > its Rust crates are not included in Maka source or binary distributions.
> > Apache releases ship with this backend disabled, so `cua-driver` is not
> > part of the release dependency inventory above.
> >
> > ### Cryptography
> >
> > Maka is not primarily a cryptographic product; it uses standard TLS/HTTPS
> > libraries for talking to model providers and standard hashing for
> > content-addressed artifacts. If any bundled cryptographic functionality
> > triggers ASF export-notification (ECCN) requirements, we will notify the
> > ASF and complete the required paperwork.
> >
> > ## Required Resources
> >
> > ### Mailing Lists
> >
> > - [email protected]
> > - [email protected]
> > - [email protected]
> > - [email protected]
> >
> > ### Subversion Directory
> >
> > Not requested.
> >
> > ### Git Repositories
> >
> > - [
> >
> https://gitbox.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator-maka.git](https://gitbox.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator-maka.git)
> > - Mirrored to [
> >
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-maka](https://github.com/apache/incubator-maka)
> >
> > ### Issue Tracking
> >
> > The community would like to continue using GitHub Issues at [
> >
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-maka/issues](https://github.com/apache/incubator-maka/issues)
> > .
> >
> > ### Other Resources
> >
> > The community would like to continue using GitHub Actions for continuous
> > integration. No additional infrastructure is currently required.
> >
> > ## Initial Committers
> >
> > | Name | GitHub ID | Mail Address | Affiliation |
> > | --- | --- | --- | --- |
> > | Jie Wen | jackwener | [email protected] | Botiverse, Inc. |
> > | Yuhan Lei | Astro-Han | [email protected] | Shanghai CENO New
> > Material Technology Co., Ltd. |
> > | Kun Li | likun666661 | [email protected] | Shanghai Geshu Zhizhi
> > Technology Co., Ltd. |
> > | Zhanghan Gao | YayoiNanoka | [email protected] | South China
> > University of Technology |
> > | Haoqing Wang | hqhq1025 | [email protected] | Beijing University of
> Posts
> > and Telecommunications |
> > | Yuhang Chang | MicroGery | [email protected] | Shenzhen Morphi
> > Intelligence Technology Co., Ltd. |
> > | Yongtao Wang | M4n5ter | [email protected] | Individual |
> >
> > ## Sponsors
> >
> > ### Champion
> >
> > tison [[email protected]]
> >
> > ### Nominated Mentors
> >
> > - tison [[email protected]]
> > - Hao Ding [[email protected]]
> > - Zhuoran Shang [[email protected]]
> > - Xinyu Tan [[email protected]]
> >
> > ### Sponsor Entity
> >
> > - The Incubator
> >
>
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