> That could be - my problem when I went looking for things is that I
> surmised that Avalon was some sort of framework, rather than a
> collection of independent utilities. I got that idea because that is
> what the avalon site says... Peter and others are aware that this is
> often the perception.
Yeah, not suprising at all. The documentation on the site does not give much
of an indication that is it also repository of common classes. Only if you
go back and read the messages regarding its creation do you get the idea
that it was supposed to be the glue to intergrate several java apache
projects and help them share code. I could be possible that this is not the
true goal of Avalon anymore and it is just a framework for servers, but
based on current activity, it seems much more than just a framework and a
collection of interfaces.
> So we seem to be attracting code bases already, may go out and solicit
> existing ones from outside of Jakarta - if the value we add is to make
> them easy to find, document them well, and be a community that supports
> them *for their own sake*, then I think there is significant added
> value.
I can imagine this would be a huge value and even more so if the other
projects use them. I love the fact that most projects use Ant as a make
tool. It makes my life so much simpler, since I only have to learn Ant and
not a million different make tools. Same thing could be said for other
things like a JDBC Connection broker. Even though it is not difficult to
bounce from one broker to another (small learning curve) you still have to
think, hmmm another implementation, where is the config file, how is the
config file organized, and the biggest questions... is it well implemented
and bug free. What is even more frustrating is seeing several incomplete
implementations of the same project. I'm not against supporting new projects
and allowing new ideas to evolve, but having consistency and quality is
usualy more important.
> Try marking a lawyer. They seem to require more than a few drops.. :)
I guess snakes require more droppings ;-)
BTW, is there a listing of the all the proposed code bases to be part of the
Commons? I would love to see good collections classes. I have some of my own
implementation of OrderMap, type specific Lists and Map, but I'm sure the
are better (optimized) implementation out there than mine.
-david
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