Stefano, you are right on the mark as usual. As soon as a java2c# porting tool is available, the hordes will probably be moving on...
> -----Original Message----- > From: Stefano Mazzocchi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 8:25 AM > To: Jakarta General List > Subject: Re: Java is dead... but it could still be saved! > > > Jon Scott Stevens wrote: > > > > on 2/4/02 1:58 PM, "Kevin A. Burton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I created the java-is-dead mailing list to address these issues. > > > > > > Note that this mailing list is a place to help fix things. The > > > java-is-dead mailing list is for people who love Java but > are *very* > > > concerned. > > > > The only people who can fix these things is Sun. This mailing list > > sounds like a black hole and these types of politics usually don't > > work against Sun (neither do online polls)... > > > > The way to get Sun's attention is to corner them into a > hole and then > > pound on their head for a few years. Then, if you are > lucky, you might > > get them to concede on an issue or two so that only you > will be happy. > > In case you didn't notice, Sun might go out of business as > soon as a couple of years: if even Oracle says that bigiron > is dead, Google and yahoo run on huge though inexpensive > clusters of pc clones, Dual G4 machines are starting to beat > the pants out of Sun boxes and run unix.... where the hell is > Sun going to earn its money from? > > yep, you guessed it right: Java. > > They dropped the ball for java on the desktop: sun management > decided that it will never happen: there will be no Java > version of StarOffice. > > So they want to earn money on the other two sides: > > big -> enterprise (J2EE) > small -> embedded (J2ME) > > why? simple: these are the things that pay off and these are > the things that go along better with Sun core business: which > is hardware (both big fat machines and silicon chips). > > Now: is Sun going to change this because Mr. Burtonator cries > on his own mail list? yeah, sure. > > Unless he has a few 10 billion dollars to invest in Sun to > open up java. > > Sun can't start selling JDK's, otherwise people will switch > to .NET (or OSS clones of it, see Ximian MONO), but it sure > can stop improve on it (after 1.4 is out) and give away for > free *normal* java implementations and sell > better/faster/more-scalable JVMs (which is what M$ will be > doing with .NET) > > You can be sure Sun has a lot to learn from M$ on the > marketing-software side of things. > > Yep, people, Java is turning into legacy for most > corporations: they'd rather spend some thousand dollars in > new software (which will run on sparc only, of course) than > spend millions in retraining people, porting software to .NET > and blah blah blah. > > Where does OSS stand? We have been *used* to make java solid. > > Now things are changed: they think they don't need us anymore > because Java is a commercial reality. That's the truth and > you'd better learn it fast. > > My position: give me a solid (possibly GPL-ed) CLI > implementation, a Java2C# porting tool, a BSD-licensed > library of .NET classes and java-cloning classes and I say > let's kiss java good bye. > > Interesting enough, this is where Ximian is leading. > > Or we wait for another mozilla-like miracle. > > Anyway people: be ready to jump off the train, we are > approaching the cliff at full speed. > > -- > Stefano Mazzocchi One must still have chaos in oneself to be > able to give birth to a dancing star. > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Friedrich Nietzsche > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > <mailto:general-> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > For > additional commands, > e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
