On Sat, 2002-05-25 at 11:38, Martin van den Bemt wrote:
> On Sat, 2002-05-25 at 17:16, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
> >
> > I fail to see the connection between what I said and what you stated.
>
> Then I fail to see your connection with my story too..
> I'll Give it try anyway : If no one cares or just one person cares and
> needs to vote of all to get things implemented or changed and doesn't
> get that vote, it will not get implemented, or even tried.
> I think that is normal behaviour here, so that is why I guess a lot of
> idea's never get implemented anyway, because you guys -1 it..
>
The converse: You all can vote all day long on what I'm to do, but what
are you going to do when my dissenting vote is cast by me not actually
doing it? Voting has NOTHING to do with what work gets done. Thats the
POWER of those who do.
> >
> > I offered myself as installer of Scarab and it was accepted.
>
> Guess you are a committer on jakarta? I am not. Is that the difference?
> This is exactly the reason why I said +1..
If you contribute work, you'll become a committer, its as simple as
that. I propose people committers because I can't keep up with their
patches and get my own work done. (After I make sure they will fit into
the community and they know how to use CVS). I would like to say I
really value the opinions of everyone, but I don't. I value the
opinions of those who are going to contribute something tangible to the
project (even if its just critique of the documentation, bug reports,
test files, etc).
If +1 = "Andy Do" then thats a big -1 from me. If +1 = "Yes and I'll do
or help do" then great! To let non-coders be committers cheapens the
meaning. Its just a bunch of folks registering their opinion on what I
should do. Yeah, the difference between that and toilette paper is that
toilette paper is useful.
> If you don't mind me asking out of interest : which project ? (else I
> have to dig into the avail file to see where you have commit access ;))
>
Committer to POI and Lucene. Developer/Contributer to Cocoon.
> I'll be
> > implementing that shortly. (Step 1. Drive Server to chapel hill, Step
> > 2. Install Scarab on it for practice, Step 3. install here)
>
> It's broken now indeed ;) On the turbine list they are still saying that
> I have to use that to get bugs...
>
Yeah the kicker is that there are no bugs in it (or at least there
weren't a week or two ago). Maybe Turbine is perfect? :-D
-Andy
> Mvgr,
> Martin
>
> > -Andy
> >
> > On Sat, 2002-05-25 at 11:05, Martin van den Bemt wrote:
> > > Andy,
> > >
> > > With this attitude nothing gets ever implemented I guess.
> > >
> > > In this case Pier can hardly say : I am going to implement this and all
> > > of you comply! So he can implement whatever he wants, as long as it it
> > > still veto'd its no use investing spare time in.
> > > I offered myself 2 times to jakarta as a sysadmin/co-list moderator, but
> > > to no avail, although some were complaining about lack of time. This new
> > > proposal will leave this kind of involvement at least open.
> > >
> > > Mvgr,
> > > Martin
> > >
> > > On Sat, 2002-05-25 at 16:49, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
> > > > On Sat, 2002-05-25 at 10:44, Martin van den Bemt wrote:
> > > > > Even though I am not a committer / member (I try to contribute code
> > > > > however), I just needed to express my opinion ;).
> > > > >
> > > > > I am a +1 on Piers proposal.
> > > > >
> > > > > Especially the membership possibility for people who are not coding can
> > > > > be very constructive for this community!
> > > > >
> > > > > Designers, politicians, copywriters, lawyers, nannies, cleaning lady,
> > > > > sys admins, people with great ideas ("the thinkers") etc,etc.. A
> > > > > community is more then just programming, although it is "our" core
> > > > > business here. Others can give us a look at things we didn't have before
> > > > > and make life a little bit easier for us code monkeys (or as I call
> > > > > myself in dutch "tiep miep")
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I see lots of ideas floating around. Just few get implemented.
> > > >
> > > > -Andy
> > > >
> > > > > Just my 2 euro cents ;)
> > > > >
> > > > > Mvgr,
> > > > > Martin
> > > > >
> > > > > PS this is not a pro Pier (or whoever) and con Costin (or whoever)
> > > > > thing. So let's keep it that way and ignore the comments about that to
> > > > > each other. If you cannot mail something independend of the past,
> > > > > besidees the current subject, don't mail it or mail it in private, or
> > > > > better be the wisest to ignore it.
> > > > > <value teacher mode on>
> > > > > I am not here to teach values or something like that (you are not
> > > > > waiting for that probably), but I am going to try anyway :
> > > > > The past is something that happened and is not now, you cannot blame
> > > > > people for what has taken place then, because it is not taking place now
> > > > > (with now I mean this Nanosecond even less). Life becomes so much easier
> > > > > if you obtain this view! No barriers to look back on, just plain free,
> > > > > non prejudiced communications. Wow we live in a great world!
> > > > > Forgive me my Martin logic, you will get used to it.. ;))
> > > > > </value teacher mode off>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, 2002-05-25 at 15:13, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
> > > > > > Andrew C. Oliver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -1, its not broken, it worked. I see little reason to fix it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It is broken. We don't allow Sally Khudairi to be a member of this
> > > > > > community, nor James "Gonzo" Todd (ex employee at Sun), to leave his
> > > > > > employment and terminate his working (9 to 5) relationship with Apache,
> > > > > > without leaving him with the "dues" of a committer and make him "look bad"
> > > > > > because he disappeared.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Pier
> > > > > >
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